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Is a GED More Valuable Than a PhD?

15 points by robg 18y ago

noodle 18y ago
more valuable? no. i feel like the article should be addressing is whether or not a PhD is worth the investment. for many people: no, its not.
- redorb 18y ago
  The question I think is based on relative things; so for some it possibly could be. Your question is also very important.
scott_s 18y ago
They only talk to people with Ph.D.s in the humanities. Getting a job related to, say, a Ph.D. in English has always been hard.
smanek 18y ago
A PhD, even in the hard sciences, is rarely worth while monetarily. Most people driven/smart enough to successfully complete a PhD at a top school would also excel in the corporate world (or law/business/med school). Financially, it probably isn't a good investment. But, if you love your field, it does qualify you to do more interesting work and could still make the rest of your career more fun for you.
- mechanical_fish 18y ago
  I don't disagree with this, but I will say that the argument has lost a lot of its punch since all the air went out of the investment banks and the real estate agencies, and their former employees were reduced to wandering the landscape carrying signs: WILL INFLATE BUBBLES FOR FOOD. A hard science Ph.D. is a bad financial investment. But, as bad investments go, you could do much, much worse. The bigger problem that afflicts a lot of Ph.Ds -- especially the ones in this article -- is not so much financial as spiritual: They have a gauzy vision of the Intellectual Lifestyle that they just can't let go of. I'm fortunate in that I didn't emerge from grad school expecting to be raptured into the Academy. Studying engineering was a very helpful dose of reality, as was the emerging Internet, which made it possible to sit at a desk deep inside the university and still experience the words of people who had non-academic jobs and were enthusiastic about them, like Greenspun and, later, Spolsky and PG.
  - puzzle-out 18y ago
    English phd students tend to be quite a despondant lot (I have one, but avoided most of the other students on the course). One major advantage of doing a phd in the humanities now (providing you get funding) is the flexibility. I knew about the job prospects for English phds before I started, but I was fascinated by the period and was offered a scholarship, so thought why not, but I also used the spare time I had to set up an internet company - which we sold for a modest amount the same week I passed my viva. People worry too much about following the herd - partly because they read too many articles like this.
- RK 18y ago
  In the field I trained for, a PhD's median salary is only about 6% higher than someone with a master's. On the other hand, the spread of salaries for PhD's is much larger, mostly due to the amazingly unfounded assumption that a PhD somehow qualifies people for management positions.
- blackguardx 18y ago
  You are right if all care about is money. I am going back to school to get a PhD because 2 years on the job has taught me that there is more to life than just money.
medearis 18y ago
I've met several startup founders who say the best candidates are the ones who get into top technical Ph.D. programs and then drop out to join startups. Even in technical fields, it seems that the value of the Ph.D. is sometimes not in the specific knowledge gained, but in their value as an indication of merit... i.e. few Ph.D. grads go on to work on their thesis. I also second the comment about Ph.D's in the humanities -- for the most part, they are a set up for a job in academia.
- tokenadult 18y ago
  Yes, many private industry employers like "all but dissertation" applicants, who have a combination of technical knowledge and orientation toward private industry rather than academia.
cool-RR 18y ago
Why are all the examples females who study humanities?

15 points by robg 18y ago

more valuable? no. i feel like the article should be addressing is whether or not a PhD is worth the investment. for many people: no, its not.

redorb 18y ago
The question I think is based on relative things; so for some it possibly could be. Your question is also very important.

scott_s 18y ago

They only talk to people with Ph.D.s in the humanities. Getting a job related to, say, a Ph.D. in English has always been hard.

smanek 18y ago

A PhD, even in the hard sciences, is rarely worth while monetarily. Most people driven/smart enough to successfully complete a PhD at a top school would also excel in the corporate world (or law/business/med school). Financially, it probably isn't a good investment. But, if you love your field, it does qualify you to do more interesting work and could still make the rest of your career more fun for you.

mechanical_fish 18y ago
I don't disagree with this, but I will say that the argument has lost a lot of its punch since all the air went out of the investment banks and the real estate agencies, and their former employees were reduced to wandering the landscape carrying signs: WILL INFLATE BUBBLES FOR FOOD. A hard science Ph.D. is a bad financial investment. But, as bad investments go, you could do much, much worse. The bigger problem that afflicts a lot of Ph.Ds -- especially the ones in this article -- is not so much financial as spiritual: They have a gauzy vision of the Intellectual Lifestyle that they just can't let go of. I'm fortunate in that I didn't emerge from grad school expecting to be raptured into the Academy. Studying engineering was a very helpful dose of reality, as was the emerging Internet, which made it possible to sit at a desk deep inside the university and still experience the words of people who had non-academic jobs and were enthusiastic about them, like Greenspun and, later, Spolsky and PG.
- puzzle-out 18y ago
  English phd students tend to be quite a despondant lot (I have one, but avoided most of the other students on the course). One major advantage of doing a phd in the humanities now (providing you get funding) is the flexibility. I knew about the job prospects for English phds before I started, but I was fascinated by the period and was offered a scholarship, so thought why not, but I also used the spare time I had to set up an internet company - which we sold for a modest amount the same week I passed my viva. People worry too much about following the herd - partly because they read too many articles like this.
RK 18y ago
In the field I trained for, a PhD's median salary is only about 6% higher than someone with a master's. On the other hand, the spread of salaries for PhD's is much larger, mostly due to the amazingly unfounded assumption that a PhD somehow qualifies people for management positions.
blackguardx 18y ago
You are right if all care about is money. I am going back to school to get a PhD because 2 years on the job has taught me that there is more to life than just money.

medearis 18y ago

I've met several startup founders who say the best candidates are the ones who get into top technical Ph.D. programs and then drop out to join startups. Even in technical fields, it seems that the value of the Ph.D. is sometimes not in the specific knowledge gained, but in their value as an indication of merit... i.e. few Ph.D. grads go on to work on their thesis. I also second the comment about Ph.D's in the humanities -- for the most part, they are a set up for a job in academia.

tokenadult 18y ago
Yes, many private industry employers like "all but dissertation" applicants, who have a combination of technical knowledge and orientation toward private industry rather than academia.

cool-RR 18y ago

Why are all the examples females who study humanities?