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Swedish Campground (2004)
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- kimmk 1y agoThe same sign is used in Finland. I was puzzled why Apple computers used it but I thought it was just a coincidence...!
- LadyCailin 1y agoNorway too.
- bemmu 1y agoSeems Sweden has us beat by using it in a stone carving 400-600 CE: https://symbology.wiki/symbol/looped-square/ https://symbology.wiki/symbol/looped-square/
- calf 1y agoNever used MacDraw, but I remember installing and using ClarisWorks in middle/high school, I never did actual programming at that age, but I loved playing around with the Mac's word processing, drawing, painting programs, making little art layouts, outlines for class notes, stuff that that.
- WillAdams 1y agoSadly, programming wasn't really feasible on the Mac per se due to Bill Gates' manipulations: https://www.folklore.org/MacBasic.html https://www.folklore.org/MacBasic.html Eventually we got HyperCard: https://www.folklore.org/Joining_Apple_Computer.html https://www.folklore.org/Joining_Apple_Computer.html
- kragen 1y agoWow, somehow I had never heard the sad story of MacBasic. It's such a perfect example of why people don't trust Microsoft.
- WillAdams 1y agoAs someone who wasted a lot of time trying to get a graphical project to work in Microsoft's Basic for Macintosh, I'm still angry about it, and wonder how the trajectory of my life might have changed had MacBasic been available for me to purchase instead (unfortunately, things were set/quite different when HyperCard came out, though I did greatly enjoy _The Manhole_).
- JKCalhoun 1y agoSaw one in Sweden a few months back. Had to snap a photo: https://imgur.com/a/RAseomC https://imgur.com/a/RAseomC
- gerikson 1y ago"Brunnsmiljö" refers to "area with baths" (i.e. the old fashioned spa kind). The symbols under refer to restaurant, hotel, and camping cottages.
- GolDDranks 1y agoAh, the Saint Hannes cross, or sankthanskors in Sweden, or hannunvaakuna in Finland. It's not so much related to campgrounds, but to mark sightseeing spots in general.
- cess11 1y agoNo, it's used for "ancient monument", fornminne. It might be a early modern ruin or something that isn't ancient in some scientific sense but still is a place of historical or archaeological interest, while properly old remains, at least pre-reformatory ones, i.e. older than early 1500s, are often marked with a futhark 'r'/'ᚱ'.
- holografix 1y agoReading this I assumed the symbol referred to a castle with a turret in each corner
- cess11 1y agoIt's older than castles and occurs in some of the oldest scandinavian stone carvings. In the middle ages it was associated with John the baptist in Scandinavian christianity. The use discussed here is established from the 1950s onwards, first suggested by a local history society in Finland.
- vidarh 1y agoIt's used throughout much of Northern Europe as a more general sign for places of interest. E.g. in Norway the sign is specifically described in regulations as referring to a "severdighet", literally something like "a seeworthy thing" but generally translated to "attraction". It's specifically regulated to mean that [1], rather than fornminne/ancient monument. In Norway, you can for example find it used for the Holmenkollen ski jump, which is hardly an ancient monument [2]. [1] https://lovdata.no/dokument/SF/forskrift/2005-10-07-1219/KAPITTEL_8#KAPITTEL_8 https://lovdata.no/dokument/SF/forskrift/2005-10-07-1219/KAP... [2] https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9612567,10.6669888,3a,75y,104.11h,94.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skwbgjVtr_pHFXA2S5NN5sg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-4.265969469068381%26panoid%3DkwbgjVtr_pHFXA2S5NN5sg%26yaw%3D104.11184997775973!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=1&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYzMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D https://www.google.com/maps/@59.9612567,10.6669888,3a,75y,10...
- gnabgib 1y ago(This isn't the title) Previously: 2013 (111 points, 49 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5988557 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5988557 2011 (177 points, 22 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2643611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2643611
- nntwozz 1y agoAlso known as the looped square (commonly used as the place of interest sign): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looped_square https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looped_square
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- wood_spirit 1y agoThis road sign sign means castle or other point of historic interest in Sweden. Campgrounds have a normal descriptive “tent” symbol road sign in Sweden https://korkortonline.se/en/theory/road-signs/direction-signs/h11/ https://korkortonline.se/en/theory/road-signs/direction-sign...
- vibedout 1y agoIt doesn't have to be historic interest actually, it just means national heritage or place of interest (sign H22). More like, a place "worth seeing".
- Someone 1y agoFTA: “Finally she came across a floral symbol that was used in Sweden to indicate an interesting feature or attraction in a campground” ⇒ the article likely is wrong by adding “in a campground”, but it doesn’t say it means campground; it’s ‘only’ its title that does so.
- tmm 1y agoDoes anyone what the "international symbol dictionary" Susan Kare used was?
- robinhouston 1y agoI don't know, and I'd love to. If I had to guess, I'd guess Henry Dreyfuss's Symbol Sourcebook. It was published in 1972, and it seems plausibly the sort of book someone like Susan Kate might have had to hand in the early '80s. https://www.societyofsigns.com/projects/symbol-sourcebook https://www.societyofsigns.com/projects/symbol-sourcebook
- wsh 1y agoSymbol Sourcebook would’ve been my first guess, too, but I just glanced through my copy (7th printing, 1977) and didn’t see the ⌘ symbol. The closest thing in the Graphic Form Section is a symbol for “Atomic d orbital,” but it’s clearly not the same one that inspired Susan Kare.
- macintux 1y agoAround 15:30 in this video she talks about it, and there’s a slide showing other symbols that may or may not be from the same book. https://vimeo.com/151277875 https://vimeo.com/151277875
- wsh 1y agoInteresting. The left side of the slide at 15:43 in the video is definitely from page 27 of Symbol Sourcebook, but the detail of the ⌘ symbol doesn’t seem to be: not only could I not find the symbol, but also its caption (“FEATURE”) is set in Helvetica rather than Univers as used in the book.
- macintux 1y agoI have a suspicion that she may no longer possess or even remember the book in question. Heaven knows I wouldn’t were I her, but my memory is atrocious.
- Duanemclemore 1y agoKare really is a genius isn't she?
- tauntz 1y agoThe sign is also used in Estonia. Officially defined in https://www.riigiteataja.ee/akt/126112024009?leiaKehtiv https://www.riigiteataja.ee/akt/126112024009?leiaKehtiv -> https://www.riigiteataja.ee/aktilisa/1261/1202/4009/MKM_29012018_m7_lisa7.pdf# https://www.riigiteataja.ee/aktilisa/1261/1202/4009/MKM_2901... -> sign no 718. Google translate of the official sign definition: "sign 718 "Sight" refers to the location of tourist objects (sights of interest to tourists, heritage conservation, nature conservation or other objects);"
- peterpost2 1y agoI've definitely seem them in Norway as well. I'm so surprised the button comes from that.
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- mrweasel 1y ago"Seværdigheds knappen" (The attraction button) as a former co-workers calls it. The "control" button is slightly weirder. Why is that a ^ on some of Apples keyboards, while only having the text "ctrl" on others. The "control" vs. ctrl isn't related to space, the laptop keyboard have "control", but my full size wired Apple keyboard just have "ctrl" despite the button being physically bigger.
- tokai 1y agoAlways thought it was weird that Apple chose that symbol. Makes a lot of sense that it was a thoughtless act.
- bombcar 1y agoWell, it was very thoughtful - just with complete disregard for the actual meaning (I daresay if the symbol they liked had meant something entirely negative like nuclear waste dump they may have chosen another). This was long before the Internet when things like International Signal Directories were worth their weight in gold.