> Based on how you talk to people, I see no value in discussing this with you any further after this. That's a concession that you cannot defend your position.

> Based on how you talk to people, I see no value in discussing this with you any further after this. That's a concession that you cannot defend your position. > If you do not believe in this process, that's not a problem with this petition. That's a you problem. There's very well-documented issues of corruption in both US and EU government, so no, this is not a "me problem" - yet more emotional manipulation and misdirection. The existence of that corruption also nullifies everything that you wrote above. If you're denying the corruption, you're part of the problem. > I'm not tolerating your ad hominem attacks. I never committed an ad hominem, and you know it. > It's not suitable for this site and I wish you'd go elsewhere to be toxic. You know what's not suitable? The falsehoods and emotional manipulation that you've repeatedly made in your comments. That is toxic - not calling it out. What a perverse thing to claim. You need to learn to be able to make your points without emotional outbursts. Being mad does not make you right.