> people like you I'm a regular Joe on the internet, with a regular job. And regarding agriculture and your comment, that's how people with actual power think

> people like you I'm a regular Joe on the internet, with a regular job. And regarding agriculture and your comment, that's how people with actual power think. Think of almost all major advances we've had, especially in terms of reducing costs. The vast majority of cost savings (and therefore improving quality of life for the average person) can be summarized as: * put plastic (and fossil fuel derived materials) in EVERYTHING: if you don't believe this me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and see how much the non-plastic version costs, frequently it's much, much more expensive (kudos to stainless steel and aluminum products frequently still holding the flag; but coming with other downsides, obviously) * (more relevant to our discussion): industrialize human suffering and/or general environment degradation (push production to countries where labor and environmental/sustainability laws are lax and abuses are rampant): if you don't believe me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and try to research their supply chain to see if it's produced ethically and sustainably Oh, for bonus points, a huge percentage of the world economy works on BOTH at the same time.