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You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process. I suppose destroying society for profit is top of the barrel for peop

You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process. I suppose destroying society for profit is top of the barrel for people like you.

oblio 1y ago
> people like you I'm a regular Joe on the internet, with a regular job. And regarding agriculture and your comment, that's how people with actual power think. Think of almost all major advances we've had, especially in terms of reducing costs. The vast majority of cost savings (and therefore improving quality of life for the average person) can be summarized as: * put plastic (and fossil fuel derived materials) in EVERYTHING: if you don't believe this me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and see how much the non-plastic version costs, frequently it's much, much more expensive (kudos to stainless steel and aluminum products frequently still holding the flag; but coming with other downsides, obviously) * (more relevant to our discussion): industrialize human suffering and/or general environment degradation (push production to countries where labor and environmental/sustainability laws are lax and abuses are rampant): if you don't believe me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and try to research their supply chain to see if it's produced ethically and sustainably Oh, for bonus points, a huge percentage of the world economy works on BOTH at the same time.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process Wat. You really don’t see any technology that created win-wins?
- salawat 1y ago
  No such thing as a win-win. Just a lose we haven't come up with a name or explanation for yet.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    "Destroying society" was itself a win-win in a lot of cases, given how many pre-industrial societies in Europe were literally feudalism before and who replaced it with democracy and liberty. I think the total elimination of smallpox was pretty one-sided, too; this remains the case even despite people who look at vaccines skeptically, because such skepticism isn't the fault of vaccines.

You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process. I suppose destroying society for profit is top of the barrel for people like you.

oblio 1y ago

> people like you I'm a regular Joe on the internet, with a regular job. And regarding agriculture and your comment, that's how people with actual power think. Think of almost all major advances we've had, especially in terms of reducing costs. The vast majority of cost savings (and therefore improving quality of life for the average person) can be summarized as: * put plastic (and fossil fuel derived materials) in EVERYTHING: if you don't believe this me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and see how much the non-plastic version costs, frequently it's much, much more expensive (kudos to stainless steel and aluminum products frequently still holding the flag; but coming with other downsides, obviously) * (more relevant to our discussion): industrialize human suffering and/or general environment degradation (push production to countries where labor and environmental/sustainability laws are lax and abuses are rampant): if you don't believe me, go to Amazon (or any supermarket, really) and pick a random product category and try to research their supply chain to see if it's produced ethically and sustainably Oh, for bonus points, a huge percentage of the world economy works on BOTH at the same time.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> You can't anything your way to miracle profits without destroying society in the process Wat. You really don’t see any technology that created win-wins?

salawat 1y ago
No such thing as a win-win. Just a lose we haven't come up with a name or explanation for yet.
- ben_w 1y ago
  "Destroying society" was itself a win-win in a lot of cases, given how many pre-industrial societies in Europe were literally feudalism before and who replaced it with democracy and liberty. I think the total elimination of smallpox was pretty one-sided, too; this remains the case even despite people who look at vaccines skeptically, because such skepticism isn't the fault of vaccines.