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Could you elaborate on "subsidies don't scale"? In the US, farm subsidies are a huge chunk of our budget and, to the best of my understanding, help keep food pr

by ericyd 1y ago

Could you elaborate on "subsidies don't scale"? In the US, farm subsidies are a huge chunk of our budget and, to the best of my understanding, help keep food prices low. I'm not informed enough to know if it's an inefficient solution though.

Onavo 1y ago
The subsidies are combined with cheap indentured semi legal labor from south of the border. Remove either one and the whole system falls apart.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Indentured?
  - tocs3 1y ago
    This reply is a little off the cuff but the "Indentured" is referring to the fact that the workers cannot just pick up and leave without consequences. They do not have transportation so would have to just walk home and are not holding the visas so hey could face consequences involving law enforcement.
owie829 1y ago
that is incorrect. 2023 US Payments to agriculture [1] were $10.972 billion. That is 0.04% of GDP or ~0.697% of the federal budget[2] for 2023. It spiked slightly in 2020, but has been a small portion of the budget for a long time. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA [2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M318191Q027NBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M318191Q027NBEA [3] https://imgur.com/a/dwgS0m6 https://imgur.com/a/dwgS0m6
- ericyd 1y ago
  I guess it's a matter of perspective, I know 0.7% isn't the biggest item in the budget but it's a fairly large line item to my mind. Either way I still wonder what the "does not scale" comment meant. Edit: re-reading my comment, I regret my word choice, "a huge chunk" is obviously incorrect.
  - vkou 1y ago
    First of all, 11 billion is 0.17% of the federal budget. (Which is ~6 trillion). You were looking at a quarterly budget, not the annual one. Secondly, that 0.17% that is spent on food security has dramatically better ROI than the 1.7% of it that is spent on, to pick a random line item... maintaining 5 (of 11) carrier strike groups[1]. --- [1] For contrast, the entire rest of the world put together has exactly 2 carrier strike groups. Somehow, I'd have to prioritize people getting three meals a day over nearly anything else the government could be doing.

by ericyd 1y ago

Onavo 1y ago

The subsidies are combined with cheap indentured semi legal labor from south of the border. Remove either one and the whole system falls apart.

SoftTalker 1y ago
Indentured?
- tocs3 1y ago
  This reply is a little off the cuff but the "Indentured" is referring to the fact that the workers cannot just pick up and leave without consequences. They do not have transportation so would have to just walk home and are not holding the visas so hey could face consequences involving law enforcement.

owie829 1y ago

that is incorrect. 2023 US Payments to agriculture [1] were $10.972 billion. That is 0.04% of GDP or ~0.697% of the federal budget[2] for 2023. It spiked slightly in 2020, but has been a small portion of the budget for a long time. [1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA [2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M318191Q027NBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M318191Q027NBEA [3] https://imgur.com/a/dwgS0m6 https://imgur.com/a/dwgS0m6

ericyd 1y ago
I guess it's a matter of perspective, I know 0.7% isn't the biggest item in the budget but it's a fairly large line item to my mind. Either way I still wonder what the "does not scale" comment meant. Edit: re-reading my comment, I regret my word choice, "a huge chunk" is obviously incorrect.
- vkou 1y ago
  First of all, 11 billion is 0.17% of the federal budget. (Which is ~6 trillion). You were looking at a quarterly budget, not the annual one. Secondly, that 0.17% that is spent on food security has dramatically better ROI than the 1.7% of it that is spent on, to pick a random line item... maintaining 5 (of 11) carrier strike groups[1]. --- [1] For contrast, the entire rest of the world put together has exactly 2 carrier strike groups. Somehow, I'd have to prioritize people getting three meals a day over nearly anything else the government could be doing.