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Having seen the almost rabid and fearful reactions of product owners first hand around forcing AI into every product, it’s because all these companies are in pa

Having seen the almost rabid and fearful reactions of product owners first hand around forcing AI into every product, it’s because all these companies are in panic mode. Many of these folks are not thinking clearly and have no idea what they’re doing. They don’t think they have time to think it through. Doing something is better than nothing. It’s all theatre for their investors coupled with a fear of being seen as falling behind. Nobody is going to have a measured and well thought through approach when they’re being pressured from above to get in line and add AI in any way. The top execs have no ideas, they just want AI. You’re not even allowed to say it’s a bad idea in a lot of bigger companies. Get in line or get a new job. At some point this period will pass and it will be pretty embarrassing for some folks.

mouse_ 1y ago
eventually, people (investors) notice when their money is scared...
AppleBananaPie 1y ago
Yeah the internal 'experts' pushing ai having no idea what they're doing but acting like they do is like a weird fever dream lol Everyone nodding along, yup yup this all makes sense
- deleted 1y ago
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recursive 1y ago
The product I'm working on is privately owned. Hence no investors. We're still in the process of cramming AI into everything.
- ryandrake 1y ago
  Even if your company is privately owned, it has at least 1 investor (possibly just the founder), and this urge to cram AI is no doubt coming from him.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Why are investors so stupid? I mean this genuinely. Every time I hear about investors and what they want, it seems to me like they make dumb decisions that implode on themselves. I mean, you would think someone very rich who invests in companies would be somewhat smart. But, I'm convinced, a lot of them would do much better if they made no decisions at all and left everything up to entropy.
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      My pet theory / speculation: Investors (as individuals and as a class) are just not very creative or insightful people. They chase trends and look to "other investors" for clues about what to invest in. If "everyone is doing AI" then there must be money being made there, so I must do AI too. The thought process stops there.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      I could write a book on this. But it wouldn't make me any friends.
      - SpaceNoodled 1y ago
        You can either be right, or have friends.
        tptacek 1y ago
        You can have both things. Just don't be a dick about what you believe (at least, not to everybody).
        SpaceNoodled 1y ago
        Hey, at least you have friends.
        jacquesm 1y ago
        NDA's are a thing... that's the main obstacle.
echelon 1y ago
Companies that don't invent the car get to go extinct. This is the next great upset. Everyone's hair is on fire and it's anybody's ball game. I wouldn't even count the hyperscalers as certain to emerge victorious. The unit economics of everything and how things are bought and sold might change. We might have agents that scrub ads from everything and keep our inboxes clean. We might find content of all forms valued at zero, and have no need for social networking and search as they exist today. And for better or worse, there might be zero moat around any of it.
- delta_p_delta_x 1y ago
  > agents that scrub ads from everything This is called an ad blocker. > keep our inboxes clean This is called a spam filter. The entire parent comment is just buzzword salad. In fact I am inclined to think it was written by an LLM itself.
  - DrillShopper 1y ago
    That entire user's post history reads like the output of a very poorly trained LLM.
    - echelon 1y ago
      I mean, my post history was used to train ChatGPT since HN is one of the major training data sources and I have a decade and a half of comment history. It'd be funny if you blamed me for emdashes or "delve", but it's a bit rude to suggest that it's the other way around.
  - echelon 1y ago
    You're not a normie and defaults matter. Most of the world doesn't even know what an ad blocker is let alone know how to install one. There's really only two browsers and one search engine. It doesn't matter what you do, because the rest of society is ensnared and the economic activities that matter are held captive. If generative models compress all of the useful activities (lowering the incumbency moat) and agents can perform actions on our behalf, then it reasons that we may have agents that act as personal assistants and have our best interests as top priority. Ads are clearly in violation of that. It's so funny to be a contrarian on HN. I get quite a lot of predictions right, yet all I get in exchange is downvotes and claims that I'm an LLM. I'll have to write a retro one of these days if I ever find the free time.

mouse_ 1y ago

eventually, people (investors) notice when their money is scared...

AppleBananaPie 1y ago

Yeah the internal 'experts' pushing ai having no idea what they're doing but acting like they do is like a weird fever dream lol Everyone nodding along, yup yup this all makes sense

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recursive 1y ago

The product I'm working on is privately owned. Hence no investors. We're still in the process of cramming AI into everything.

ryandrake 1y ago
Even if your company is privately owned, it has at least 1 investor (possibly just the founder), and this urge to cram AI is no doubt coming from him.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Why are investors so stupid? I mean this genuinely. Every time I hear about investors and what they want, it seems to me like they make dumb decisions that implode on themselves. I mean, you would think someone very rich who invests in companies would be somewhat smart. But, I'm convinced, a lot of them would do much better if they made no decisions at all and left everything up to entropy.
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    My pet theory / speculation: Investors (as individuals and as a class) are just not very creative or insightful people. They chase trends and look to "other investors" for clues about what to invest in. If "everyone is doing AI" then there must be money being made there, so I must do AI too. The thought process stops there.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    I could write a book on this. But it wouldn't make me any friends.
    - SpaceNoodled 1y ago
      You can either be right, or have friends.
      - tptacek 1y ago
        You can have both things. Just don't be a dick about what you believe (at least, not to everybody).
        SpaceNoodled 1y ago
        Hey, at least you have friends.
      - jacquesm 1y ago
        NDA's are a thing... that's the main obstacle.

echelon 1y ago

Companies that don't invent the car get to go extinct. This is the next great upset. Everyone's hair is on fire and it's anybody's ball game. I wouldn't even count the hyperscalers as certain to emerge victorious. The unit economics of everything and how things are bought and sold might change. We might have agents that scrub ads from everything and keep our inboxes clean. We might find content of all forms valued at zero, and have no need for social networking and search as they exist today. And for better or worse, there might be zero moat around any of it.

delta_p_delta_x 1y ago
> agents that scrub ads from everything This is called an ad blocker. > keep our inboxes clean This is called a spam filter. The entire parent comment is just buzzword salad. In fact I am inclined to think it was written by an LLM itself.
- DrillShopper 1y ago
  That entire user's post history reads like the output of a very poorly trained LLM.
  - echelon 1y ago
    I mean, my post history was used to train ChatGPT since HN is one of the major training data sources and I have a decade and a half of comment history. It'd be funny if you blamed me for emdashes or "delve", but it's a bit rude to suggest that it's the other way around.
- echelon 1y ago
  You're not a normie and defaults matter. Most of the world doesn't even know what an ad blocker is let alone know how to install one. There's really only two browsers and one search engine. It doesn't matter what you do, because the rest of society is ensnared and the economic activities that matter are held captive. If generative models compress all of the useful activities (lowering the incumbency moat) and agents can perform actions on our behalf, then it reasons that we may have agents that act as personal assistants and have our best interests as top priority. Ads are clearly in violation of that. It's so funny to be a contrarian on HN. I get quite a lot of predictions right, yet all I get in exchange is downvotes and claims that I'm an LLM. I'll have to write a retro one of these days if I ever find the free time.