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And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month. I have trouble convincing myself to give Autodesk $50/month and I need that software for my primary

by dangus 1y ago

And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month. I have trouble convincing myself to give Autodesk $50/month and I need that software for my primary hobby. And none of these AI companies are profitable. Imagine how much it will cost or how much it will be enshittified when the investors come looking for their returns. If everyone whose code illegally trained these models won a copyright lawsuit against Claude it would suddenly not be so good at writing swift code. Do we really want to bet on Disney losing their AI lawsuit? Honestly I realize my comment is not adding much to the discussion but the AI fatigue is real. At this point I think HN and other tech forums would do well to ban the topic for posts like this. Imagine if we were upvoting stories about how people are getting lots of coding done easier with Google and StackOverflow. It would be rightfully ridiculed as vapid content. Ultimately that’s what this blog post is. I really don’t care to hear how yet another dingus “programmer” is using AI to do their hobby/job for them.

bwb 1y ago
Maybe, but cost is going down fast on tokens, so this will likely be less of an issue.
- rvnx 1y ago
  On Gemini it is actually going up
  - nojito 1y ago
    On average the change was a cost decrease because of the thinking token price decrease. For people who do not need thinking they can use flash lite which is cheaper as well.
    - dangus 1y ago
      Sounds like the product is stagnating and the only way to get the better thing is to pay more, which is kind of like saying you can get a faster server if you pay more. That isn’t moore’s law-style progress. If AI is truly progressing at the amazing rate that everyone is claiming then we should be continually getting better capability at the same price.
ovi256 1y ago
Google's gemini-cli offers the most generous current free tier, 2500 daily requests. I'd recommend checking it out, since mostly everything said about Claude Code applies to it too
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  Every time I try to use gemini-cli, it tells me "slow response times detected, switching to Gemini flash" with no option to just wait longer instead. It then does a bad job, which, like, makes sense if it's using the flash model.
- sunaookami 1y ago
  You will get limited to Flash after a few requests, Google is straight up lying with the request limit. But you can use an API key with the free tier and get 5 RPM and 100 RPD.
snoman 1y ago
> Imagine how much it will cost or how much it will be enshittified when the investors come looking for their returns. Indeed but one potential saving grace is the open sourcing of good models (eg. Meta’s Llama). If they continue to open source competitive models, we might be able to stave that off.
AnotherGoodName 1y ago
Buy things that make you more productive. Seriously. Assuming you’re not in some horrible trap of no money to buy things that improve your life you’re being ridiculous by not doing it. Also i code all day and have yet to hit the $10/month cap on claude that the jetbrains library offer.
- dangus 1y ago
  I do buy things that make me more productive. But I’m also not enjoying the idea of software engineering requiring a subscription to a service provider in a similar way to how creative professionals get backed in to adobe creative cloud, because up until this point most developer tools have been free or very cheap.
  - Wowfunhappy 1y ago
    I mean, you have the ability to run Deekseek locally if you want and you have the hardware. I find paying for Claude significantly less offensive than paying for e.g. Creative Cloud, because I'm largely paying for the compute resources.
    - dangus 1y ago
      If you have the hardware. And where does this leave the person who owns a used $100 ThinkPad? Heck, I know a web developer who was using a raspberry pi as their main workstation. Prior to AI the person with a used ThinkPad wasn’t really at a disadvantage when it came to most development tasks.
Wowfunhappy 1y ago
> And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month. So, firstly, the limits on the $100/month plan are reasonably high in my experience. I do hit them, but it takes quite a bit. > I have trouble convincing myself to give Autodesk $50/month and I need that software for my primary hobby. Before I used Claude Code, I absolutely would have agreed with you, $100–$200 every month is just a ridiculous amount for any software. After using Claude Code... yeah, that's just how darn good it is! > Imagine if we were upvoting stories about how people are getting lots of coding done easier with Google and StackOverflow. You know, something I've thought about before (as in, before LLMs) is just how hard (impossible?) it would be for me to program without an internet connection. I'm constantly Googling stuff. I can absolutely imagine that if I was a programmer before widespread internet use, and the internet launched with things like Google and lots of resources out of the gate... yeah, that would be revelatory! I'm not saying AI is necessarily the same, but it's something to think about.
- dangus 1y ago
  And what will a $100/month barrier to do the economic mobility of aspiring software engineers? No we are going to have a haves and haves not situation where the poor kid who wants to get a better job and get out of poverty is competing with the dude who has a $100-200/month AI subscription writing code for him.
  - Wowfunhappy 1y ago
    ...actually, I think it's mostly good for people to learn to code without AI first. AI is really good at simple things and often can't do hard things, but humans can't learn to do the hard things unless they learn the easy things first. This is a way in which AI is not like the internet! I do feel AI impeding my own learning in this way and it's probably the aspect I'm most concerned about.
    - dangus 1y ago
      I’m really not talking about the learning part, I’m talking about the part where people need to be competitive in the job market. E.g., a job interviewer in the world of AI will be asking you to perform more complex example work under the assumption that you have access to AI.
raincole 1y ago
> And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month Claude Code costs $200/month really isn't something that needs to be "revealed." Yes, I know of https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/
alwillis 1y ago
> And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month. I started with the pay-as-you go plan; I'm currently using the Claude Pro plan at $20/month which is great for my use case. > And none of these AI companies are profitable. Imagine how much it will cost or how much it will be enshittified when the investors come looking for their returns. I suspect investors will give AI companies a lot of runway. OpenAI went from $0 to over $10 billion in revenue in less than 3 years. I know that's not a profit but it bodes well for the future. (As an aside, it took Microsoft 22 years to reach $10 billion in revenue.) Anthropic went from $0 in 2021 to over $4 billion in about 3 years. In comparison, it took Twitter about eleven years after its founding in 2006 to become profitable in 2017. And for much of that time, Twitter didn't have a viable business model. I don't think investors are concerned. Regarding lawsuits, I'm sure the AI companies will win some and lose some. Either way, after all is said and done, there will be settlements and agreements. Nothing is going to stop this train. But—chalk one up for Anthropic for winning their case, Meta getting a favorable ruling and all the rest [1]. > won a copyright lawsuit against Claude it would suddenly not be so good at writing swift code. I suspect Claude is going to get really good at writing Swift--Anthropic is working with Apple [2]. > …but the AI fatigue is real You might want to get off the internet if you're already suffering from AI fatigue; things are just getting started. [1]: "AI companies start winning the copyright fight" -- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/30/ai-techscape-copyright https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/30/ai-techsc... [2]: "Apple Partners With Anthropic for Claude-Powered AI Coding Platform" -- https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/02/apple-anthropic-ai-coding-platform/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/02/apple-anthropic-ai-codi...
- dangus 1y ago
  > it took Microsoft 22 years to reach $10 billion in revenue You need to adjust this figure for inflation. Microsoft became huge decades ago when money was worth more. It’s not being on the Internet that’s giving me AI fatigue. My employer is forcing me to use it. It’s being used at the drive-thru window even. “Touch grass” isn’t a valid argument here. This idea that AI will improve after the AI companies’ inevitable exits is one that isn’t backed by history. I’d like to have one exited unicorn company named that has a better value and/or lower cost now than its pre-exit state. YouTube? Netflix? Facebook? Uber? MongoDB? Atlassian? Slack? It is legitimately hard to find a tech company that is a more desirable company to patronize post-exit than pre-exit. We are so obviously in the customer acquisition phase of AI…people in this thread are talking about spending hundreds per month on AI services and I think all of those will double in price soon after large private company players like OpenAI go public or get acquired. It happened with Netflix, it happened with YouTube (more ads, YouTube Premium), it happened with Uber, the list goes on and on.

by dangus 1y ago

bwb 1y ago

Maybe, but cost is going down fast on tokens, so this will likely be less of an issue.

rvnx 1y ago
On Gemini it is actually going up
- nojito 1y ago
  On average the change was a cost decrease because of the thinking token price decrease. For people who do not need thinking they can use flash lite which is cheaper as well.
  - dangus 1y ago
    Sounds like the product is stagnating and the only way to get the better thing is to pay more, which is kind of like saying you can get a faster server if you pay more. That isn’t moore’s law-style progress. If AI is truly progressing at the amazing rate that everyone is claiming then we should be continually getting better capability at the same price.

ovi256 1y ago

Google's gemini-cli offers the most generous current free tier, 2500 daily requests. I'd recommend checking it out, since mostly everything said about Claude Code applies to it too

Wowfunhappy 1y ago
Every time I try to use gemini-cli, it tells me "slow response times detected, switching to Gemini flash" with no option to just wait longer instead. It then does a bad job, which, like, makes sense if it's using the flash model.
sunaookami 1y ago
You will get limited to Flash after a few requests, Google is straight up lying with the request limit. But you can use an API key with the free tier and get 5 RPM and 100 RPD.

snoman 1y ago

> Imagine how much it will cost or how much it will be enshittified when the investors come looking for their returns. Indeed but one potential saving grace is the open sourcing of good models (eg. Meta’s Llama). If they continue to open source competitive models, we might be able to stave that off.

AnotherGoodName 1y ago

Buy things that make you more productive. Seriously. Assuming you’re not in some horrible trap of no money to buy things that improve your life you’re being ridiculous by not doing it. Also i code all day and have yet to hit the $10/month cap on claude that the jetbrains library offer.

dangus 1y ago
I do buy things that make me more productive. But I’m also not enjoying the idea of software engineering requiring a subscription to a service provider in a similar way to how creative professionals get backed in to adobe creative cloud, because up until this point most developer tools have been free or very cheap.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  I mean, you have the ability to run Deekseek locally if you want and you have the hardware. I find paying for Claude significantly less offensive than paying for e.g. Creative Cloud, because I'm largely paying for the compute resources.
  - dangus 1y ago
    If you have the hardware. And where does this leave the person who owns a used $100 ThinkPad? Heck, I know a web developer who was using a raspberry pi as their main workstation. Prior to AI the person with a used ThinkPad wasn’t really at a disadvantage when it came to most development tasks.

Wowfunhappy 1y ago

> And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month. So, firstly, the limits on the $100/month plan are reasonably high in my experience. I do hit them, but it takes quite a bit. > I have trouble convincing myself to give Autodesk $50/month and I need that software for my primary hobby. Before I used Claude Code, I absolutely would have agreed with you, $100–$200 every month is just a ridiculous amount for any software. After using Claude Code... yeah, that's just how darn good it is! > Imagine if we were upvoting stories about how people are getting lots of coding done easier with Google and StackOverflow. You know, something I've thought about before (as in, before LLMs) is just how hard (impossible?) it would be for me to program without an internet connection. I'm constantly Googling stuff. I can absolutely imagine that if I was a programmer before widespread internet use, and the internet launched with things like Google and lots of resources out of the gate... yeah, that would be revelatory! I'm not saying AI is necessarily the same, but it's something to think about.

dangus 1y ago
And what will a $100/month barrier to do the economic mobility of aspiring software engineers? No we are going to have a haves and haves not situation where the poor kid who wants to get a better job and get out of poverty is competing with the dude who has a $100-200/month AI subscription writing code for him.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  ...actually, I think it's mostly good for people to learn to code without AI first. AI is really good at simple things and often can't do hard things, but humans can't learn to do the hard things unless they learn the easy things first. This is a way in which AI is not like the internet! I do feel AI impeding my own learning in this way and it's probably the aspect I'm most concerned about.
  - dangus 1y ago
    I’m really not talking about the learning part, I’m talking about the part where people need to be competitive in the job market. E.g., a job interviewer in the world of AI will be asking you to perform more complex example work under the assumption that you have access to AI.

raincole 1y ago

> And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month Claude Code costs $200/month really isn't something that needs to be "revealed." Yes, I know of https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/

alwillis 1y ago

> And at the bottom it’s revealed that this costs $200/month. I started with the pay-as-you go plan; I'm currently using the Claude Pro plan at $20/month which is great for my use case. > And none of these AI companies are profitable. Imagine how much it will cost or how much it will be enshittified when the investors come looking for their returns. I suspect investors will give AI companies a lot of runway. OpenAI went from $0 to over $10 billion in revenue in less than 3 years. I know that's not a profit but it bodes well for the future. (As an aside, it took Microsoft 22 years to reach $10 billion in revenue.) Anthropic went from $0 in 2021 to over $4 billion in about 3 years. In comparison, it took Twitter about eleven years after its founding in 2006 to become profitable in 2017. And for much of that time, Twitter didn't have a viable business model. I don't think investors are concerned. Regarding lawsuits, I'm sure the AI companies will win some and lose some. Either way, after all is said and done, there will be settlements and agreements. Nothing is going to stop this train. But—chalk one up for Anthropic for winning their case, Meta getting a favorable ruling and all the rest [1]. > won a copyright lawsuit against Claude it would suddenly not be so good at writing swift code. I suspect Claude is going to get really good at writing Swift--Anthropic is working with Apple [2]. > …but the AI fatigue is real You might want to get off the internet if you're already suffering from AI fatigue; things are just getting started. [1]: "AI companies start winning the copyright fight" -- https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/30/ai-techscape-copyright https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/30/ai-techsc... [2]: "Apple Partners With Anthropic for Claude-Powered AI Coding Platform" -- https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/02/apple-anthropic-ai-coding-platform/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/02/apple-anthropic-ai-codi...

dangus 1y ago
> it took Microsoft 22 years to reach $10 billion in revenue You need to adjust this figure for inflation. Microsoft became huge decades ago when money was worth more. It’s not being on the Internet that’s giving me AI fatigue. My employer is forcing me to use it. It’s being used at the drive-thru window even. “Touch grass” isn’t a valid argument here. This idea that AI will improve after the AI companies’ inevitable exits is one that isn’t backed by history. I’d like to have one exited unicorn company named that has a better value and/or lower cost now than its pre-exit state. YouTube? Netflix? Facebook? Uber? MongoDB? Atlassian? Slack? It is legitimately hard to find a tech company that is a more desirable company to patronize post-exit than pre-exit. We are so obviously in the customer acquisition phase of AI…people in this thread are talking about spending hundreds per month on AI services and I think all of those will double in price soon after large private company players like OpenAI go public or get acquired. It happened with Netflix, it happened with YouTube (more ads, YouTube Premium), it happened with Uber, the list goes on and on.