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> ...nostalgia for the ‘good old days’ of owning music... I have no desire to go back to that. New music is being created WORLDWIDE constantly and we also have

> ...nostalgia for the ‘good old days’ of owning music... I have no desire to go back to that. New music is being created WORLDWIDE constantly and we also have a few hundred years of already-made music. There's no way I could even come close to 'owning' all of the music I'd want to own. Discovering good new music is a problem becasuse there's so much of it. Since '99 I've been listening to one of the first streaming internet station. DJs give them one to two hour sets that go into rotation. There's no limit to the variety - you'll get an hour of Portuguese Fado music (was a fad in L.A. for awhile) followed by 8-bit video game music then Iranian music... I like it because it's curated by humans and not computer.

ysofunny 1y ago
don't fall for it, nobody owns the music the musicians making it know this deep down. it's like the music is there, and the musician who "made" it indeed only brought it from "there" to here. that is it. at most you own the medium in which the music's representation is stored, which is streaming's problem. the medium is your internet connection if anything
- CPLX 1y ago
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  - ysofunny 1y ago
    I find it impossible to determine the value of my own work. the saturation of content makes me regard the work of uploading my own 'done' work into a cloud provider (so that anybody can stream my music for free) as not worth the kick I would get from meaningless metrics determined by the same cloud platform into which I would upload my stuff if I did which I won't as it's worthless to do.
    - CPLX 1y ago
      > I find it impossible to determine the value of my own work. A good starting point is the amount people are willing to pay for it.
  - Nasrudith 1y ago
    If cannibalism is your first response then your concerns never were about human misery.
os2warpman 1y ago
The good old days sucked. I have a large collection of CDs that I "own" and they're in a box in the basement because the medium is irrelevant. For less than the price of 1 CD per month (and I used to buy WAY more than 1 CD per month) I have access to a near-infinite amount of music. I've added 49 full or partial albums to my library since 1/1/2025 for $78. And some of that stuff has an EXACT AND PRECISE 0.00% of having ever been carried in a physical shop on physical media such as: a DJ set consisting mainly of remixes of The Hacker tracks from the late 90s, recorded by a Canadian DJ in a Frankfurt Studio in 2025. We're eating perfectly-prepared filet every day and people are reminiscing about school cafeteria salisbury steak.
- eduction 1y ago
  This is well said and I agree that nostalgia for old systems is overdone… os2warpman :-)
- CPLX 1y ago
  > The good old days sucked They didn’t suck. Like many situations that were resource constrained they had unique positive attributes even though you have a strong preference for the alternative strictly speaking. Sometimes being constrained forces you to have a different and better experience, like when you’re young and broke and have adventures, or there’s a power outage and the city turns into a party, or when you miss the bus and have an interesting walk. I was and am a musician and massive music fan. I miss the experience of being on a long train trip with only 10 CDs and really deeply connecting to each of them with no distractions. I miss discovering something on a record store clerk’s recommendation. And it’s not fair to say I just miss being younger those were specific experiences and they were pleasant. I’m not saying I’m going back, or that we all should. I am happy with unlimited access to everything that’s also great. But back then it didn’t suck, it was great in a different way.
  - Yeul 1y ago
    I think the vast majority of people don't really give a shit about music and don't think about it deeply. They just need something to listen to.
whilenot-dev 1y ago
> Since '99 I've been listening to one of the first streaming internet station. Care to share which one? I personally like FIP.
- comrade1234 1y ago
  Dublab. They have a few stations - LA (the original), Spain, Germany, Japan. Brazil seems to be gone though. It was all started by USC music geeks.
watwut 1y ago
> Discovering good new music is a problem becasuse there's so much of it Not really, discovering it is a problem because it is hidden. Current algorithms are designed to revert you to the same old and to show you stuff similar to what you have seen. You need to know specific terms to find something new - but of course if it is truly new for you, you do not know those terms.
- comrade1234 1y ago
  That's why I listen to dublab - it's human-curated.
- Tijdreiziger 1y ago
  I’ve discovered tons of music through the YouTube algorithm over the past 15ish years, and it’s definitely not all ‘similar to what [I] have seen’.

ysofunny 1y ago

don't fall for it, nobody owns the music the musicians making it know this deep down. it's like the music is there, and the musician who "made" it indeed only brought it from "there" to here. that is it. at most you own the medium in which the music's representation is stored, which is streaming's problem. the medium is your internet connection if anything

CPLX 1y ago
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- ysofunny 1y ago
  I find it impossible to determine the value of my own work. the saturation of content makes me regard the work of uploading my own 'done' work into a cloud provider (so that anybody can stream my music for free) as not worth the kick I would get from meaningless metrics determined by the same cloud platform into which I would upload my stuff if I did which I won't as it's worthless to do.
  - CPLX 1y ago
    > I find it impossible to determine the value of my own work. A good starting point is the amount people are willing to pay for it.
- Nasrudith 1y ago
  If cannibalism is your first response then your concerns never were about human misery.

os2warpman 1y ago

The good old days sucked. I have a large collection of CDs that I "own" and they're in a box in the basement because the medium is irrelevant. For less than the price of 1 CD per month (and I used to buy WAY more than 1 CD per month) I have access to a near-infinite amount of music. I've added 49 full or partial albums to my library since 1/1/2025 for $78. And some of that stuff has an EXACT AND PRECISE 0.00% of having ever been carried in a physical shop on physical media such as: a DJ set consisting mainly of remixes of The Hacker tracks from the late 90s, recorded by a Canadian DJ in a Frankfurt Studio in 2025. We're eating perfectly-prepared filet every day and people are reminiscing about school cafeteria salisbury steak.

eduction 1y ago
This is well said and I agree that nostalgia for old systems is overdone… os2warpman :-)
CPLX 1y ago
> The good old days sucked They didn’t suck. Like many situations that were resource constrained they had unique positive attributes even though you have a strong preference for the alternative strictly speaking. Sometimes being constrained forces you to have a different and better experience, like when you’re young and broke and have adventures, or there’s a power outage and the city turns into a party, or when you miss the bus and have an interesting walk. I was and am a musician and massive music fan. I miss the experience of being on a long train trip with only 10 CDs and really deeply connecting to each of them with no distractions. I miss discovering something on a record store clerk’s recommendation. And it’s not fair to say I just miss being younger those were specific experiences and they were pleasant. I’m not saying I’m going back, or that we all should. I am happy with unlimited access to everything that’s also great. But back then it didn’t suck, it was great in a different way.
- Yeul 1y ago
  I think the vast majority of people don't really give a shit about music and don't think about it deeply. They just need something to listen to.

whilenot-dev 1y ago

> Since '99 I've been listening to one of the first streaming internet station. Care to share which one? I personally like FIP.

comrade1234 1y ago
Dublab. They have a few stations - LA (the original), Spain, Germany, Japan. Brazil seems to be gone though. It was all started by USC music geeks.

watwut 1y ago

> Discovering good new music is a problem becasuse there's so much of it Not really, discovering it is a problem because it is hidden. Current algorithms are designed to revert you to the same old and to show you stuff similar to what you have seen. You need to know specific terms to find something new - but of course if it is truly new for you, you do not know those terms.

comrade1234 1y ago
That's why I listen to dublab - it's human-curated.
Tijdreiziger 1y ago
I’ve discovered tons of music through the YouTube algorithm over the past 15ish years, and it’s definitely not all ‘similar to what [I] have seen’.