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> For some people, paying the premium to jump the queue is the point. What they didn't forsee is what happens when everyone has wound up paying the premium, and

> For some people, paying the premium to jump the queue is the point. What they didn't forsee is what happens when everyone has wound up paying the premium, and the queue is now with you again There's a freedom that comes with not caring and just accepting I am last in the line. I don't pay the premium and I can sit and relax in the lobby while the sheep that paid wait in line. Only when the queue is nearly depleted it is my turn.

nosianu 1y ago
Though, that too only works if it is not adopted by the majority :) The actual strategy is not that you are last, but that you choose to be part of the smallest group.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  That's true. It's almost like the prisoners dillema. I think that in a world with no priority queueing, I would still not care about the only queue and show up at the gate at the last possible time. Problems would arise if everyone behaved like me. You would have everyone showing last minute and chaos would be the result. I wonder how the system would adapt to that.
  - BenjiWiebe 1y ago
    The thing is, not everyone is like you. So it would work better than the pathological case, at least.
jasode 1y ago
>while the sheep that paid wait in line. The supposed "sheep" that want to get on the plane first are people that want to get that precious overhead bin space to avoid checking a carry-on bag at the gate. Boarding last means there's no more bin space and the gate agent will put the bag in the belly of the plane. This adds extra hassles of waiting an extra 30+ minutes at the arrival terminal to wait for the bag on the conveyor belt and/or the bag getting lost. Yes, it can look "irrational" to hurry up and get in line because as some like to say, "No point in fighting to get on the plane first since we're all leaving on the same plane at the same time!" ... The issue isn't the departure time -- it's the limited bin space. EDIT add reply to : >bag put in the belly lf the place, and my bag was never lost. There are more complications because at some airports with widely separated terminals, going outside of the security zone to pick up a bag at the conveyor belt also means using slower buses instead of the tram to go to another terminal to get a car. E.g. at Dallas airport, the faster railway trams are only available inside the secured area. So not getting that bag in the overhead bin has domino effect of waiting for buses (another +30 minutes) which can add up to 1 extra hour of waiting at the arrival destination. Getting in line early for boarding is a small price to pay to avoid all of that.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  Yes, there is freedom in that. I seldom have my overhead bag put in the belly lf the place, and my bag was never lost. Perhaps I am lucky. I get that time back by being able to go to the gate when they are about to close :)
- Ygg2 1y ago
  > The supposed "sheep" that want to get on the plane first are people that want to get that precious overhead bin space to avoid checking a carry-on bag at the gate. They are still sheep. Fighting for better spot on the butcher's table. So let me get this straight. Rather than fighting airlines for better flying conditions, they fight each other for earlier boarding time. Not sure who said it, but consumerism truly is slavery perfected.
- djmips 1y ago
  People would still jockey to be first on, even if there wasn't the limited overhead bin space.
- sensanaty 1y ago
  Maybe it's different in the US, but I fly constantly and have ever since I was a kid, and overhead storage space has never been an issue in my experience. At worst you'll have to put your bag a few seats away from your seat, but even then I usually travel with a pretty big duffle bag and have never had issues
  - amy214 1y ago
    It's different in the US. The gate agents, depending on the flight, for the last 10-30% of boarding passengers will say "we're out of room, we're checking your bags". So now you have to deal with that hassle. The lived experience is you have gate agents explicitly priming the anxiety. OP missed the point though, also in the US, you can bring what's called a "personal carry on" and put it under the seat in front of you. Now overhead space is a non-issue. Just pack light.

nosianu 1y ago

Though, that too only works if it is not adopted by the majority :) The actual strategy is not that you are last, but that you choose to be part of the smallest group.

surgical_fire 1y ago
That's true. It's almost like the prisoners dillema. I think that in a world with no priority queueing, I would still not care about the only queue and show up at the gate at the last possible time. Problems would arise if everyone behaved like me. You would have everyone showing last minute and chaos would be the result. I wonder how the system would adapt to that.
- BenjiWiebe 1y ago
  The thing is, not everyone is like you. So it would work better than the pathological case, at least.

jasode 1y ago

>while the sheep that paid wait in line. The supposed "sheep" that want to get on the plane first are people that want to get that precious overhead bin space to avoid checking a carry-on bag at the gate. Boarding last means there's no more bin space and the gate agent will put the bag in the belly of the plane. This adds extra hassles of waiting an extra 30+ minutes at the arrival terminal to wait for the bag on the conveyor belt and/or the bag getting lost. Yes, it can look "irrational" to hurry up and get in line because as some like to say, "No point in fighting to get on the plane first since we're all leaving on the same plane at the same time!" ... The issue isn't the departure time -- it's the limited bin space. EDIT add reply to : >bag put in the belly lf the place, and my bag was never lost. There are more complications because at some airports with widely separated terminals, going outside of the security zone to pick up a bag at the conveyor belt also means using slower buses instead of the tram to go to another terminal to get a car. E.g. at Dallas airport, the faster railway trams are only available inside the secured area. So not getting that bag in the overhead bin has domino effect of waiting for buses (another +30 minutes) which can add up to 1 extra hour of waiting at the arrival destination. Getting in line early for boarding is a small price to pay to avoid all of that.

surgical_fire 1y ago
Yes, there is freedom in that. I seldom have my overhead bag put in the belly lf the place, and my bag was never lost. Perhaps I am lucky. I get that time back by being able to go to the gate when they are about to close :)
Ygg2 1y ago
> The supposed "sheep" that want to get on the plane first are people that want to get that precious overhead bin space to avoid checking a carry-on bag at the gate. They are still sheep. Fighting for better spot on the butcher's table. So let me get this straight. Rather than fighting airlines for better flying conditions, they fight each other for earlier boarding time. Not sure who said it, but consumerism truly is slavery perfected.
djmips 1y ago
People would still jockey to be first on, even if there wasn't the limited overhead bin space.
sensanaty 1y ago
Maybe it's different in the US, but I fly constantly and have ever since I was a kid, and overhead storage space has never been an issue in my experience. At worst you'll have to put your bag a few seats away from your seat, but even then I usually travel with a pretty big duffle bag and have never had issues
- amy214 1y ago
  It's different in the US. The gate agents, depending on the flight, for the last 10-30% of boarding passengers will say "we're out of room, we're checking your bags". So now you have to deal with that hassle. The lived experience is you have gate agents explicitly priming the anxiety. OP missed the point though, also in the US, you can bring what's called a "personal carry on" and put it under the seat in front of you. Now overhead space is a non-issue. Just pack light.