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Any plan should have been made between government and industry. The scientists aren't there to plan, they look at the data and try to figure out how the world w

by jemmyw 1y ago

Any plan should have been made between government and industry. The scientists aren't there to plan, they look at the data and try to figure out how the world works. Scientists told us long ago there might be a climate problem, and have steadily built up more and more data and models and evidence. Activists shouldn't have existed at all. Science informs government there's a problem, government informs the population and creates multiple policies to address the problem, industry works within those policies to adapt the economy. Actual people shouldn't have to feel guilty about their own carbon emissions or second guess the science with their own opinion, but should vote on the policies that they like the best, knowing fully what the consequences will be. That would be nice anyway. Instead just about every part of that chain tries to fuck with the other parts for money and power.

yupitsme123 1y ago
Politicians don't come up with plans either. Even with the best intentions, they don't know enough to be able to come up with a plan. Experts need to do that. You also don't need the government if you want to enact change. We have an AI revolution because science and money got together to make it happen, and then consumers jumped on it. Not because the government passed a law to make it happen. So did the scientists and engineers with mountains of research ever figure out a solution for the rest of us to get behind?
- jemmyw 1y ago
  Scientists aren't responsible for coming up with a plan. Not individually anyway. I think others have expressed that in this thread you've started. An actual plan would be hugely multifaceted and would require a government or large entity to fund it: think about the scope of what that would include, you'd need to bring together researchers and experts on pretty much every industry that exists. You're talking about planning across the entire global economy. We haven't exactly been that keen on planned economies. Saying that, governments have made policy and it has had an effect. Emissions in Europe and the US are on a steady downward trend.

by jemmyw 1y ago

yupitsme123 1y ago

Politicians don't come up with plans either. Even with the best intentions, they don't know enough to be able to come up with a plan. Experts need to do that. You also don't need the government if you want to enact change. We have an AI revolution because science and money got together to make it happen, and then consumers jumped on it. Not because the government passed a law to make it happen. So did the scientists and engineers with mountains of research ever figure out a solution for the rest of us to get behind?

jemmyw 1y ago
Scientists aren't responsible for coming up with a plan. Not individually anyway. I think others have expressed that in this thread you've started. An actual plan would be hugely multifaceted and would require a government or large entity to fund it: think about the scope of what that would include, you'd need to bring together researchers and experts on pretty much every industry that exists. You're talking about planning across the entire global economy. We haven't exactly been that keen on planned economies. Saying that, governments have made policy and it has had an effect. Emissions in Europe and the US are on a steady downward trend.