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Serious question -- Stories like this come out of India fairly often. How come the government hasn't been overthrown yet? Or severe riots, insurrections, etc

Serious question -- Stories like this come out of India fairly often. How come the government hasn't been overthrown yet? Or severe riots, insurrections, etc? Seems like that would happen elsewhere, no?

kamaal 14y ago
It happens in India too. There are massive anti-corruption movements in progress. There are also riots, everything exists as else where. Its just that people by now are so used to all these problems so many of them sort of just go by it.
- noobplusplus 14y ago
  Unlike elsewhere protests are peaceful. People sit for fast, and that allows the govt. to easily pass away. The whole political system is full of such people!
aniket_ray 14y ago
I'd say apathy of the masses is the biggest reason that any of the things you mention haven't happened. In this article, for instance, only the poorest of the poor are truly starving and the vast majority just doesn't care enough to protest. While the middle classes are too busy with their own lives, the poorest and most disadvantaged people are too busy trying to eke out a basic living to actually protest about it. Let me try to list some reasons as to why. India has no real opposition party in the centre or most of the states. Most ruling parties end up having uncontrolled power. Corruption has become so pervasive in the Indian pillars of governance that we don't really have a Law & Order System anymore. The Police are corrupt and the judicial system is corrupt. Criminals thrive, as long as they have money. Failure of the Law & Order system encourages corruption in the political class. The times that an opposition party does become a bit powerful, they end up being just as corrupt as the ruling party. Most Indian election candidates use the support of various mafia and unscrupulous businessmen to win elections. Once they win this way, they need to help such people now that they are in power. Over a period of time, these issues have become so pervasive in the Indian system that today the educated and the middle classes stay away from politics. They live in their own laissez-faire life with private utilities, security and medicine. They pay their taxes but don't expect much from the government in return as long as the government doesn't interfere or hinder them. The powerful media is too busy and is rarely anti-government because government advertising forms a big part of their revenues. So they don't carry such stories for long. The media has their own pressures since they have to keep circulations high by keeping the prices virtually free. A section of the civil society had been trying to hold anti-corruption protests in recent times. They started with a lot of support but soon the media lost interest in them and nobody really pays any attention to their rallies anymore. Now for all these reasons, the middle classes are mostly apathetic to the plight of the poor or the fact that the rich are exploiting the nation.
- kamaal 14y ago
  >>In this article, for instance, only the poorest of the poor are truly starving and the vast majority just doesn't care enough to protest. While the middle classes are too busy with their own lives, the poorest and most disadvantaged people are too busy trying to eke out a basic living to actually protest about it. Oh, common please stop this. If the poor worried about themselves, they will no longer be poor. Expecting other protest for you, earn for you, farm for you is a thing of the communist past. Nobody is going to come and do it for them.
  - aniket_ray 14y ago
    Not sure what you're getting at but as I mentioned there are way too few people in the weakest sections that they would be able to garner any political muscle. Also, your whole idea that only the affected should protest in a society is grossly simplistic and if I might say then naive. A society exists to protect all its members including the weaker sections. This has nothing to do with communism. Social evils are fought by the society as a whole. Should men not fight for women rights, should straight people not stand up for LGBT rights, what about priveliged races against racism? I think you need to think your argument through without getting needlessly worked up. I'm invoking Godwin here but this quote is thoroughly apt. When the Nazis came for the communists, I said nothing; I was, of course, no communist. When they locked up the Social Democrats, I said nothing; I was, of course, no Social Democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I said nothing; I was, of course, no trade unionist. When they came for me, there was no one left who could protest.
    - kamaal 14y ago
      Sorry, if I could not explain it well. Lets say I am one of those poor affected. This is happening since years. What should I do: 1. Wait for free food to arrive every six months. 2. Note the pattern that the current job/work/profession is not working out and shift to something else instead. 3. Wait for somebody else to protest for me, and stubbornly insist for a free food package every time my village goes hungry. If I were the person I will opt for 2). But I take your point that we must protest. But protest against what? These men are in need of jobs, the maximum we ask for is the government to pass reforms which can create jobs. Without this we can very well fix corruption and solve this for the moment. But they will need food again in the next six months. Like I said before, now this time where will you get the free food from? and how long will this continue?
potatolicious 14y ago
> "How come the government hasn't been overthrown yet?" The same reason why the Chinese government still exists: hope and the middle class. There is a growing demographic of middle class people whose fortunes improve every year due to a prospering economy. This growth has not really trickled down into the lower classes, but it doesn't matter - so long as the middle class does well, stability exists. Likewise, so long as there is hope for the poor to join the burgeoning middle class, stability exists. This, coincidentally, is also the greatest challenge facing China. Inevitably the explosive growth will slow down, and there will be no more hope for social mobility. At that point everything is going to go to shit. > "Or severe riots, insurrections, etc?" I can't speak for India, but in China there are. You just don't really hear about them because the government has a very tight lid on things, and they are such regular occurrences that they would hardly get much airtime in the West, even if journalists had unfettered access.

kamaal 14y ago

It happens in India too. There are massive anti-corruption movements in progress. There are also riots, everything exists as else where. Its just that people by now are so used to all these problems so many of them sort of just go by it.

noobplusplus 14y ago
Unlike elsewhere protests are peaceful. People sit for fast, and that allows the govt. to easily pass away. The whole political system is full of such people!

aniket_ray 14y ago

I'd say apathy of the masses is the biggest reason that any of the things you mention haven't happened. In this article, for instance, only the poorest of the poor are truly starving and the vast majority just doesn't care enough to protest. While the middle classes are too busy with their own lives, the poorest and most disadvantaged people are too busy trying to eke out a basic living to actually protest about it. Let me try to list some reasons as to why. India has no real opposition party in the centre or most of the states. Most ruling parties end up having uncontrolled power. Corruption has become so pervasive in the Indian pillars of governance that we don't really have a Law & Order System anymore. The Police are corrupt and the judicial system is corrupt. Criminals thrive, as long as they have money. Failure of the Law & Order system encourages corruption in the political class. The times that an opposition party does become a bit powerful, they end up being just as corrupt as the ruling party. Most Indian election candidates use the support of various mafia and unscrupulous businessmen to win elections. Once they win this way, they need to help such people now that they are in power. Over a period of time, these issues have become so pervasive in the Indian system that today the educated and the middle classes stay away from politics. They live in their own laissez-faire life with private utilities, security and medicine. They pay their taxes but don't expect much from the government in return as long as the government doesn't interfere or hinder them. The powerful media is too busy and is rarely anti-government because government advertising forms a big part of their revenues. So they don't carry such stories for long. The media has their own pressures since they have to keep circulations high by keeping the prices virtually free. A section of the civil society had been trying to hold anti-corruption protests in recent times. They started with a lot of support but soon the media lost interest in them and nobody really pays any attention to their rallies anymore. Now for all these reasons, the middle classes are mostly apathetic to the plight of the poor or the fact that the rich are exploiting the nation.

kamaal 14y ago
>>In this article, for instance, only the poorest of the poor are truly starving and the vast majority just doesn't care enough to protest. While the middle classes are too busy with their own lives, the poorest and most disadvantaged people are too busy trying to eke out a basic living to actually protest about it. Oh, common please stop this. If the poor worried about themselves, they will no longer be poor. Expecting other protest for you, earn for you, farm for you is a thing of the communist past. Nobody is going to come and do it for them.
- aniket_ray 14y ago
  Not sure what you're getting at but as I mentioned there are way too few people in the weakest sections that they would be able to garner any political muscle. Also, your whole idea that only the affected should protest in a society is grossly simplistic and if I might say then naive. A society exists to protect all its members including the weaker sections. This has nothing to do with communism. Social evils are fought by the society as a whole. Should men not fight for women rights, should straight people not stand up for LGBT rights, what about priveliged races against racism? I think you need to think your argument through without getting needlessly worked up. I'm invoking Godwin here but this quote is thoroughly apt. When the Nazis came for the communists, I said nothing; I was, of course, no communist. When they locked up the Social Democrats, I said nothing; I was, of course, no Social Democrat. When they came for the trade unionists, I said nothing; I was, of course, no trade unionist. When they came for me, there was no one left who could protest.
  - kamaal 14y ago
    Sorry, if I could not explain it well. Lets say I am one of those poor affected. This is happening since years. What should I do: 1. Wait for free food to arrive every six months. 2. Note the pattern that the current job/work/profession is not working out and shift to something else instead. 3. Wait for somebody else to protest for me, and stubbornly insist for a free food package every time my village goes hungry. If I were the person I will opt for 2). But I take your point that we must protest. But protest against what? These men are in need of jobs, the maximum we ask for is the government to pass reforms which can create jobs. Without this we can very well fix corruption and solve this for the moment. But they will need food again in the next six months. Like I said before, now this time where will you get the free food from? and how long will this continue?

potatolicious 14y ago

> "How come the government hasn't been overthrown yet?" The same reason why the Chinese government still exists: hope and the middle class. There is a growing demographic of middle class people whose fortunes improve every year due to a prospering economy. This growth has not really trickled down into the lower classes, but it doesn't matter - so long as the middle class does well, stability exists. Likewise, so long as there is hope for the poor to join the burgeoning middle class, stability exists. This, coincidentally, is also the greatest challenge facing China. Inevitably the explosive growth will slow down, and there will be no more hope for social mobility. At that point everything is going to go to shit. > "Or severe riots, insurrections, etc?" I can't speak for India, but in China there are. You just don't really hear about them because the government has a very tight lid on things, and they are such regular occurrences that they would hardly get much airtime in the West, even if journalists had unfettered access.