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How can you actually try to defend prostitution? Would you defend murder and rape too? Both are crimes, both are immoral, both are as old as hills.

iguana 14y ago
There is nothing wrong with prostitution other than the fact that it is illegal in some places. You are employing "the world's worst argument" to try to compare a consensual act between two adults to murder. Proselytize elsewhere.
- jamesjguthrie 14y ago
  There is plenty wrong with prostitution. It is wrong to take advantage of a woman. Women become prostitutes because they have no other reasonable way of making money; or they need quick money for drugs/rent/baby food/etc. I may not be a religious person (since I became an adult) but I hold the belief that sex should be sacred. It should be kept between 2 people who want to connect with each other. We have sex with each other for intimacy, not just for a short burst of ecstasy. If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs.
  - michaelcampbell 14y ago
    > If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs. Your hyperbole is phenominal, truly.
    - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
      > phenominal Not in my world but your spelling definitely is.
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      - michaelcampbell 14y ago
        That's the best you could do?
        jamesjguthrie 14y ago
        I defended my stance and criticised your spelling in one sentence. I think that's pretty good.
  - eru 14y ago
    You don't like consensual group sex, either? (Not that you or I or anyone is under any obligation to engage in it. But there's nothing wrong with people who do so.) Or sex for one (instead of two).. Actually, dogs have a very different sexuality. They don't have sex all year round. Humans are special.
    - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
      > They don't have sex all year round Tell that to my dog's poor teddy!
  - iguana 14y ago
    > It is wrong to take advantage of a woman. Of course. But prostitution is consensual and it isn't just about "no other choice" - it just might be the most financially sound choice, or maybe they don't have inhibitions and sexual guilt after a religious upbringing. > Women become prostitutes because they have no other reasonable way of making money; or they need quick money for drugs/rent/baby food/etc. Those are the prostitutes you know about. This represents a tiny percentage of all the people in the world who have sex for money, directly or indirectly. > I may not be a religious person (since I became an adult) but I hold the belief that sex should be sacred. You sure make a big deal about recreational coitus and the consenting acts of others. > It should be kept between 2 people My goodness, what would you ever do if you had a million dollars? It's actually quite awesome with 3. Just saying. > If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs. I'm not sure we're better than dogs regardless of how or why we mush our genitals together. Dogs don't kill other dogs because they think their imaginary friend is better, and they won't judge you for having sex for money.
    - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
      Pseudo-Liberals will pretend that they're 'all for' prostitution. They say it's a consenting act between adults and they make like it's a good and decent thing to do, because these people have shed their "inhibitions and sexual guilt after a religious upbringing" - like it's something to be praised I wonder how many liberals would marry a prostitute/support their daughter or son's prostitution 'career'/would turn to prostitution themselves. > This represents a tiny percentage of all the people in the world who have sex for money Highly dubious about your statement here. You/we have no way of confirming such a statement.
olalonde 14y ago
What is inherently immoral with prostitution? Unlike murder and rape, it is a victimless crime and is in fact legal in many countries.
- taligent 14y ago
  Oddly enough it would be victimless if it was legal and regulated. But since it isn't in many countries it is a haven for people trafficking, child prostitution, kidnapping, drug abuse etc. The sooner we shine a light on these darker parts of society the better everyone will be.
- jamesjguthrie 14y ago
  This article has some good points - http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/the-ethics-of-prostitution/ http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/the-ethics-of-p... "One reason often given as to why prostitution is immoral is that it tends to involve coercion. In most cases, people do not freely decide to become prostitutes. In some cases, they are driven to the profession by desperation and a lack of other opportunities for employment. In other cases, they are forced into prostitution by others. In some cases, people are enslaved and forced to be prostitutes."
  - mdwrigh2 14y ago
    > In other cases, they are forced into prostitution by others. In some cases, people are enslaved and forced to be prostitutes. Make forcing people into prostitution illegal then, not prostitution itself. You aren't stopping people from forcing other into prostitution, you're just punishing the person who was forced. This isn't meant to be pro- or anti- legalization of prostitution, I've just never liked that argument.
  - mdwrigh2 14y ago
    > In other cases, they are forced into prostitution by others. In some cases, people are enslaved and forced to be prostitutes. Make forcing people into prostitution illegal then, not prostitution itself. You aren't stopping people from forcing other into prostitution, you're just punishing the person who was forced. This isn't meant to be pro- or anti- legalization of prostitution, I've just never liked that argument.
eru 14y ago
You mean, prostitution is a crime? Didn't they decriminalize the trade in a variety of jurisdictions (e.g. Germany)? Anyway, that's off-topic.
- jamesjguthrie 14y ago
  I'm in the UK, it's a crime here.

iguana 14y ago

There is nothing wrong with prostitution other than the fact that it is illegal in some places. You are employing "the world's worst argument" to try to compare a consensual act between two adults to murder. Proselytize elsewhere.

jamesjguthrie 14y ago
There is plenty wrong with prostitution. It is wrong to take advantage of a woman. Women become prostitutes because they have no other reasonable way of making money; or they need quick money for drugs/rent/baby food/etc. I may not be a religious person (since I became an adult) but I hold the belief that sex should be sacred. It should be kept between 2 people who want to connect with each other. We have sex with each other for intimacy, not just for a short burst of ecstasy. If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs.
- michaelcampbell 14y ago
  > If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs. Your hyperbole is phenominal, truly.
  - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
    > phenominal Not in my world but your spelling definitely is.
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    - michaelcampbell 14y ago
      That's the best you could do?
      - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
        I defended my stance and criticised your spelling in one sentence. I think that's pretty good.
- eru 14y ago
  You don't like consensual group sex, either? (Not that you or I or anyone is under any obligation to engage in it. But there's nothing wrong with people who do so.) Or sex for one (instead of two).. Actually, dogs have a very different sexuality. They don't have sex all year round. Humans are special.
  - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
    > They don't have sex all year round Tell that to my dog's poor teddy!
- iguana 14y ago
  > It is wrong to take advantage of a woman. Of course. But prostitution is consensual and it isn't just about "no other choice" - it just might be the most financially sound choice, or maybe they don't have inhibitions and sexual guilt after a religious upbringing. > Women become prostitutes because they have no other reasonable way of making money; or they need quick money for drugs/rent/baby food/etc. Those are the prostitutes you know about. This represents a tiny percentage of all the people in the world who have sex for money, directly or indirectly. > I may not be a religious person (since I became an adult) but I hold the belief that sex should be sacred. You sure make a big deal about recreational coitus and the consenting acts of others. > It should be kept between 2 people My goodness, what would you ever do if you had a million dollars? It's actually quite awesome with 3. Just saying. > If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs. I'm not sure we're better than dogs regardless of how or why we mush our genitals together. Dogs don't kill other dogs because they think their imaginary friend is better, and they won't judge you for having sex for money.
  - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
    Pseudo-Liberals will pretend that they're 'all for' prostitution. They say it's a consenting act between adults and they make like it's a good and decent thing to do, because these people have shed their "inhibitions and sexual guilt after a religious upbringing" - like it's something to be praised I wonder how many liberals would marry a prostitute/support their daughter or son's prostitution 'career'/would turn to prostitution themselves. > This represents a tiny percentage of all the people in the world who have sex for money Highly dubious about your statement here. You/we have no way of confirming such a statement.

olalonde 14y ago

What is inherently immoral with prostitution? Unlike murder and rape, it is a victimless crime and is in fact legal in many countries.

taligent 14y ago
Oddly enough it would be victimless if it was legal and regulated. But since it isn't in many countries it is a haven for people trafficking, child prostitution, kidnapping, drug abuse etc. The sooner we shine a light on these darker parts of society the better everyone will be.
jamesjguthrie 14y ago
This article has some good points - http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/the-ethics-of-prostitution/ http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/the-ethics-of-p... "One reason often given as to why prostitution is immoral is that it tends to involve coercion. In most cases, people do not freely decide to become prostitutes. In some cases, they are driven to the profession by desperation and a lack of other opportunities for employment. In other cases, they are forced into prostitution by others. In some cases, people are enslaved and forced to be prostitutes."
- mdwrigh2 14y ago
  > In other cases, they are forced into prostitution by others. In some cases, people are enslaved and forced to be prostitutes. Make forcing people into prostitution illegal then, not prostitution itself. You aren't stopping people from forcing other into prostitution, you're just punishing the person who was forced. This isn't meant to be pro- or anti- legalization of prostitution, I've just never liked that argument.
- mdwrigh2 14y ago
  > In other cases, they are forced into prostitution by others. In some cases, people are enslaved and forced to be prostitutes. Make forcing people into prostitution illegal then, not prostitution itself. You aren't stopping people from forcing other into prostitution, you're just punishing the person who was forced. This isn't meant to be pro- or anti- legalization of prostitution, I've just never liked that argument.

eru 14y ago

You mean, prostitution is a crime? Didn't they decriminalize the trade in a variety of jurisdictions (e.g. Germany)? Anyway, that's off-topic.

jamesjguthrie 14y ago
I'm in the UK, it's a crime here.