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If the wealthy own everything then where are you getting the parts to build your own tech or the land to grow your own food? In a feudalist system, the rich ga
by yupitsme123 1y ago
If the wealthy own everything then where are you getting the parts to build your own tech or the land to grow your own food?
In a feudalist system, the rich gave you the ability to subsist in exchange for supporting them militarily. In a new feudalist system, what type of support would the rich demand from the poor?
- kelseyfrog 1y agoLet's clarify that for a serf, support meant military supply, not swinging a sword - that was reserved for the knightly class. For the great majority of medieval villagers the tie to their lord revolved around getting crops out of the ground. A serf's week was scheduled around the days they worked the land whose proceeds went to the lord and the commons that subsisted themselves. Transfers of grain and livestock from serf to lord along with small dues in eggs, wool, or coin primarily constituted one side of the economic relation between serf and lord. These transfers kept the lord's demesne barns full so he could sustain his household, supply retainers, etc, not to mention fulfill the. tithe that sustained the parish. While peasants occasionally marched, they contributed primary in financing war more than they fought it. Their grain, rents, and fees were funneled into supporting horses, mail, crossbows rather than being called to fight themselves.
- yupitsme123 1y agoThanks. Now you've got me curious how this really differs from just paying taxes, just like people have always done in non-feudal systems.
- klipt 1y agoIn feudalism the taxes go into your lord's pockets. In democracy you get to vote on how taxes are spent.
- briantakita 1y agoIn Democracy you get to vote on who gets to vote on how taxes are spent.
- baobun 1y agoLately turning into getting to vote for who gets to vote for who gets to unilaterally call the shots...
- sorcerer-mar 1y agoAnd your landlord was the same entity as your security.
- SoftTalker 1y agoAs George Carlin observed, if voting really mattered they wouldn't let you do it.
- archagon 1y ago“If your vote didn’t matter, they wouldn’t fight so hard to block it.”
- fanatic2pope 1y agoThey do indeed spend a lot of time and effort not letting people do it. https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020 https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-vot...
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y agoCarlin was an insufferable cynic who helped contribute to the nihilistic, cynical, defeatist attitude to politics that affects way too many people. The fact that he probably didn't intend to do this doesn't make it any better.
- hollerith 1y agoAlso, everything is a joke with that guy.
- dandanua 1y agoI don't dispute that Carlin was a cynic, but saying he contributed to political attitudes is an overstatement. There are hordes of people who were and still are making a reality all the things he so cynically highlighted.
- PaulDavisThe1st 1y agoHe helped make it legitimate to doubt that there can ever be a politician who is not motivated by self-interest. The fact that self-interest may play a role in the careers of many politicians doesn't undo the damage that this attitude has caused to our polity. "They're all fuckers, they're the same" is the attitude that leads to people being unable to differentiate between one party that is subject to excessive corporate lobbying and donations, still starts too many wars, and frequently makes mistakes but nevertheless is fundamentally trying to improve most people's lives, and another that wants to destroy Medicaid.
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