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first of all I don't think its wise to really say demeaning words about some profession (its the oldest profession and still running many people's house). seco

by shail 14y ago

first of all I don't think its wise to really say demeaning words about some profession (its the oldest profession and still running many people's house). secondly, there is nothing like an obvious patent, if a patent is defensible then its very much obvious that it wasn't obvious. Remember, Apple hasn't won a case against a small startup. Samsung in itself is a pretty big company and has all the resources to fight Apple and hence I think its more just. that being said, I dont think apple is all rosy, they do bad things but they also make really awesome product. If it were not for apple, you would still be typing on a physical keyboard on your cell phone.

dsirijus 14y ago
> If it were not for apple, you would still be typing on a physical keyboard on your cell phone. No I wouldn't.
- odiroot 14y ago
  I would, happily. I dread the times we no longer have a choice to type on a physical keyboard. Not one Android/iOS phone would now convince me to throw away my N900.
  - dsirijus 14y ago
    I was just trying to say that someone would have made touchscreen as primary input method. Sorry for the ambiguous statement. But, I could've argued in your direction too - I really miss physical keyboard. Typing on touchscreen is just plain wrong, imho.
    - 5h 14y ago
      i had a sony p910 some years ago, that had an optional keyboard but i never used it, character recognition (as in one character at a time ocr) actually worked, I was quicker on that than i am with swype etc now, it was awesome.
neya 14y ago
>If it were not for apple... If it were not for Apple, we would be seeing better phones than the iPhone with amazing designs (read as 'rounded corners'), without any limited functionality (Eg. Universal Search). I do not support Samsung completely, because I do believe they DID cross a line by making their phones resemble too similar to the iPhone. But I don't agree with Apple winning based on a bunch of BS patents can be claimed as innovative. And I don't agree with Apple saving the market by making really awesome products. Nor do I agree with these patents being non-obvious. Rounded corners, slide to unlock, bounce-back...seriously? If it wasn't for Apple, eventually someone would have made it, because the technology was already available before and it wasn't like Apple invented them all. Here's an image that might interest you: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5195630_700b.jpg http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5195630_700b.jpg
- taligent 14y ago
  No offense. But you are so ignorant about the facts it is scary. Apple does NOT have a patent on rounded corners any more than Coke has a patent on soda bottles.
- brisance 14y ago
  The icon layout was also in the Newton MessagePad, which pre-dated Windows CE. Rounded corners by themselves are not what made the case; it's that rounded corners, having the same grid layout, same connectors, same screen-edge "rubber band bounce-back", same coloured icons and claiming those as "obvious" when it was demonstrably proven that these things were not at that time, were what made the jury decide in Apple's favor.
jamesjguthrie 14y ago
How can you actually try to defend prostitution? Would you defend murder and rape too? Both are crimes, both are immoral, both are as old as hills.
- iguana 14y ago
  There is nothing wrong with prostitution other than the fact that it is illegal in some places. You are employing "the world's worst argument" to try to compare a consensual act between two adults to murder. Proselytize elsewhere.
  - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
    There is plenty wrong with prostitution. It is wrong to take advantage of a woman. Women become prostitutes because they have no other reasonable way of making money; or they need quick money for drugs/rent/baby food/etc. I may not be a religious person (since I became an adult) but I hold the belief that sex should be sacred. It should be kept between 2 people who want to connect with each other. We have sex with each other for intimacy, not just for a short burst of ecstasy. If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs.
    - michaelcampbell 14y ago
      > If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs. Your hyperbole is phenominal, truly.
      - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
        > phenominal Not in my world but your spelling definitely is.
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fauigerzigerk 14y ago
Apple has won a jury trial in its own backyard against a Korean company. Now, I do understand the anger among the people of California about Samsung copying their home side's products so brazenly. But a patriotic statement like that isn't exactly what I find very relevant when making up my own mind up about the merit of those patents or the merits of the US patent system.

by shail 14y ago

dsirijus 14y ago

> If it were not for apple, you would still be typing on a physical keyboard on your cell phone. No I wouldn't.

odiroot 14y ago
I would, happily. I dread the times we no longer have a choice to type on a physical keyboard. Not one Android/iOS phone would now convince me to throw away my N900.
- dsirijus 14y ago
  I was just trying to say that someone would have made touchscreen as primary input method. Sorry for the ambiguous statement. But, I could've argued in your direction too - I really miss physical keyboard. Typing on touchscreen is just plain wrong, imho.
  - 5h 14y ago
    i had a sony p910 some years ago, that had an optional keyboard but i never used it, character recognition (as in one character at a time ocr) actually worked, I was quicker on that than i am with swype etc now, it was awesome.

neya 14y ago

>If it were not for apple... If it were not for Apple, we would be seeing better phones than the iPhone with amazing designs (read as 'rounded corners'), without any limited functionality (Eg. Universal Search). I do not support Samsung completely, because I do believe they DID cross a line by making their phones resemble too similar to the iPhone. But I don't agree with Apple winning based on a bunch of BS patents can be claimed as innovative. And I don't agree with Apple saving the market by making really awesome products. Nor do I agree with these patents being non-obvious. Rounded corners, slide to unlock, bounce-back...seriously? If it wasn't for Apple, eventually someone would have made it, because the technology was already available before and it wasn't like Apple invented them all. Here's an image that might interest you: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5195630_700b.jpg http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5195630_700b.jpg

taligent 14y ago
No offense. But you are so ignorant about the facts it is scary. Apple does NOT have a patent on rounded corners any more than Coke has a patent on soda bottles.
brisance 14y ago
The icon layout was also in the Newton MessagePad, which pre-dated Windows CE. Rounded corners by themselves are not what made the case; it's that rounded corners, having the same grid layout, same connectors, same screen-edge "rubber band bounce-back", same coloured icons and claiming those as "obvious" when it was demonstrably proven that these things were not at that time, were what made the jury decide in Apple's favor.

jamesjguthrie 14y ago

How can you actually try to defend prostitution? Would you defend murder and rape too? Both are crimes, both are immoral, both are as old as hills.

iguana 14y ago
There is nothing wrong with prostitution other than the fact that it is illegal in some places. You are employing "the world's worst argument" to try to compare a consensual act between two adults to murder. Proselytize elsewhere.
- jamesjguthrie 14y ago
  There is plenty wrong with prostitution. It is wrong to take advantage of a woman. Women become prostitutes because they have no other reasonable way of making money; or they need quick money for drugs/rent/baby food/etc. I may not be a religious person (since I became an adult) but I hold the belief that sex should be sacred. It should be kept between 2 people who want to connect with each other. We have sex with each other for intimacy, not just for a short burst of ecstasy. If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs.
  - michaelcampbell 14y ago
    > If that was the only reason we had sex with each other we'd be no better than dogs. Your hyperbole is phenominal, truly.
    - jamesjguthrie 14y ago
      > phenominal Not in my world but your spelling definitely is.
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fauigerzigerk 14y ago

Apple has won a jury trial in its own backyard against a Korean company. Now, I do understand the anger among the people of California about Samsung copying their home side's products so brazenly. But a patriotic statement like that isn't exactly what I find very relevant when making up my own mind up about the merit of those patents or the merits of the US patent system.