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> Kennedy's proposal is also very unlikely to work the way he's claimed it would — the birds that provide eggs and meat on farms are descendants of separate bre

> Kennedy's proposal is also very unlikely to work the way he's claimed it would — the birds that provide eggs and meat on farms are descendants of separate breeding populations and do not breed themselves. So even if there were a population of resilient birds that survived H5N1 infection, that doesn't mean they're passing on their genetic traits to a subsequent generation. Seems like a rather devastating flaw.

Analemma_ 1y ago
Unfortunately it involves too many multisyllabic words for Kennedy— or anyone else in this administration— to understand it, so expect them to plow ahead regardless.
tombert 1y ago
If we have learned anything from this administration, even RFK Jr. specifically, is how lazy they are in pushing their agenda. They published a "report" claiming that vaccines cause autism that was lazily created with ChatGPT that had fake citations, or citations that actively go against what they're saying. Everything in the administration is half-assed. "Letting the virus spread to pass on the genes" seems like an idea that would come from a conversation when two drunks who are discussing how they'd solve all the world's problems.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  They are fundamentally absolute fucking goofballs. This administration is the best argument for DEI I’ve ever seen in my life, if it had anything to do with avoiding this. Just the other day, RFK’s top vaccine nutjob (new chair of ACIP, Robert Malone) tweeted something to suggest that the Amish’s existence despite waves of infectious disease and ~no~ low vaccination is evidence that vaccines aren’t necessary. Apparently ignorant[0] of the fact that the Amish are notoriously cloistered and isolated from the rest of society. [0] By “ignorant” I don’t mean “has never heard the idea,” but that the degree of motivated reasoning has rendered his mind actually incapable of integrating this fact — like many others — into his world view. I’m drawing this distinction because I don’t think this is a matter of smart people pretending to believe stupid things. They are actually, at rock bottom, very stupid people, rendered such by their own ideological commitments if nothing else.
  - krapp 1y ago
    "no vaccination" is incorrect. The Amish do have lower vaccination rates than the general population, but many do vaccinate.
    - duskwuff 1y ago
      And those that don't are often subject to outbreaks of preventable disease: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1602295 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1602295
  - BLKNSLVR 1y ago
    > This administration is the best argument for DEI I’ve ever seen in my life I'm going to steal and re-use this beautifully succinct observation in as many ways as I appropriately can. 100 internet points to you.
  - tombert 1y ago
    > Just the other day, RFK’s top vaccine nutjob (new chair of ACIP, Robert Malone) tweeted something to suggest that the Amish’s existence despite waves of infectious disease and no vaccination is evidence that vaccines aren’t necessary. What a strange argument. Did anyone suggest that people would stop existing if there weren’t vaccines? We haven’t had vaccines throughout most of human history. People just (correctly) think that not being vaccinated will lead to a lot of unnecessary deaths.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    > This administration is the best argument for DEI I’ve ever seen in my life Right, they've essentially implemented reverse DEI: always hire the agreeable white man, no matter what. Which was essentially the status-quo in the fucking 60s. Now we have a bunch of old white men who can drink more than they can read running our government into the ground. They're all very horribly unqualified. But, they are essentially breathing doormats, which I think is vital to an authoritarian regime.
    - rsynnott 1y ago
- xnx 1y ago
  There's no reason to put effort into crafting some convincing argument when your audience is predisposed to obey. This obedience to dictatorial authority is the great asymmetry between parties.
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    Do you think that makes the Republicans stronger than the Democrats? Or weaker? I think it makes them stronger in the short term, but much weaker in the long term. (Of course, we have to survive the short term to get to the long term...)
    - xnx 1y ago
      Agree on both counts, not sure they'll be able to hold it together without Trump, often immitated, never duplicated (I hope).
      - ben_w 1y ago
        Unfortunately definitiely duplicated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
        tombert 1y ago
        Boris Johnson is a big dumb idiot but a different kind of idiot than Trump, at least from an outsider American's perspective. I feel like Boris is more of a typical bloviating moron. Trump is that too, but in a far more immature childish sense. Trump is always trying to come up with dumb insulting nicknames for people, every single person who has ever contradicted him is "very mean" and "overrated" and "low-competency" or something like that. Playground insults. When other American politicians have tried to emulate the Trump style, it comes off as tryhard. Ron DeSantis tried it, it didn't work. That recent guy calling for the denaturalization of the mayoral candidate of NYC tried it, and it didn't work. For whatever reason, the weird immature insulting nature of Trump appears to only work for Trump, at least as of right now.
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duskwuff 1y ago
That's not even the worst of it, either. Viruses evolve faster than birds; allowing the disease to spread unchecked is likely to result in more virulent strains emerging. This could potentially include strains which can infect other species, including humans.
- tombert 1y ago
  Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Isn't that the reason we need a new flu vaccine every year? Because viruses can mutate and adapt faster than animals can? I don't know anything about biology so admittedly I'm speaking out of my ass here, but that's certainly what it seemed like to me.
  - BrandoElFollito 1y ago
    Yes. This is also why in Europe we can predict the efficiency of the vaccine in a given year by looking at how it worked in Australia. Unfortunately there is not enough time to adapt the vaccine between these two seasons
walls 1y ago
This idea definitely came from a tweet he read, and involved no extra consideration.
Tika2234 1y ago
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Analemma_ 1y ago

Unfortunately it involves too many multisyllabic words for Kennedy— or anyone else in this administration— to understand it, so expect them to plow ahead regardless.

tombert 1y ago

If we have learned anything from this administration, even RFK Jr. specifically, is how lazy they are in pushing their agenda. They published a "report" claiming that vaccines cause autism that was lazily created with ChatGPT that had fake citations, or citations that actively go against what they're saying. Everything in the administration is half-assed. "Letting the virus spread to pass on the genes" seems like an idea that would come from a conversation when two drunks who are discussing how they'd solve all the world's problems.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
They are fundamentally absolute fucking goofballs. This administration is the best argument for DEI I’ve ever seen in my life, if it had anything to do with avoiding this. Just the other day, RFK’s top vaccine nutjob (new chair of ACIP, Robert Malone) tweeted something to suggest that the Amish’s existence despite waves of infectious disease and ~no~ low vaccination is evidence that vaccines aren’t necessary. Apparently ignorant[0] of the fact that the Amish are notoriously cloistered and isolated from the rest of society. [0] By “ignorant” I don’t mean “has never heard the idea,” but that the degree of motivated reasoning has rendered his mind actually incapable of integrating this fact — like many others — into his world view. I’m drawing this distinction because I don’t think this is a matter of smart people pretending to believe stupid things. They are actually, at rock bottom, very stupid people, rendered such by their own ideological commitments if nothing else.
- krapp 1y ago
  "no vaccination" is incorrect. The Amish do have lower vaccination rates than the general population, but many do vaccinate.
  - duskwuff 1y ago
    And those that don't are often subject to outbreaks of preventable disease: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1602295 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1602295
- BLKNSLVR 1y ago
  > This administration is the best argument for DEI I’ve ever seen in my life I'm going to steal and re-use this beautifully succinct observation in as many ways as I appropriately can. 100 internet points to you.
- tombert 1y ago
  > Just the other day, RFK’s top vaccine nutjob (new chair of ACIP, Robert Malone) tweeted something to suggest that the Amish’s existence despite waves of infectious disease and no vaccination is evidence that vaccines aren’t necessary. What a strange argument. Did anyone suggest that people would stop existing if there weren’t vaccines? We haven’t had vaccines throughout most of human history. People just (correctly) think that not being vaccinated will lead to a lot of unnecessary deaths.
- const_cast 1y ago
  > This administration is the best argument for DEI I’ve ever seen in my life Right, they've essentially implemented reverse DEI: always hire the agreeable white man, no matter what. Which was essentially the status-quo in the fucking 60s. Now we have a bunch of old white men who can drink more than they can read running our government into the ground. They're all very horribly unqualified. But, they are essentially breathing doormats, which I think is vital to an authoritarian regime.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
xnx 1y ago
There's no reason to put effort into crafting some convincing argument when your audience is predisposed to obey. This obedience to dictatorial authority is the great asymmetry between parties.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Do you think that makes the Republicans stronger than the Democrats? Or weaker? I think it makes them stronger in the short term, but much weaker in the long term. (Of course, we have to survive the short term to get to the long term...)
  - xnx 1y ago
    Agree on both counts, not sure they'll be able to hold it together without Trump, often immitated, never duplicated (I hope).
    - ben_w 1y ago
      Unfortunately definitiely duplicated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
      - tombert 1y ago
        Boris Johnson is a big dumb idiot but a different kind of idiot than Trump, at least from an outsider American's perspective. I feel like Boris is more of a typical bloviating moron. Trump is that too, but in a far more immature childish sense. Trump is always trying to come up with dumb insulting nicknames for people, every single person who has ever contradicted him is "very mean" and "overrated" and "low-competency" or something like that. Playground insults. When other American politicians have tried to emulate the Trump style, it comes off as tryhard. Ron DeSantis tried it, it didn't work. That recent guy calling for the denaturalization of the mayoral candidate of NYC tried it, and it didn't work. For whatever reason, the weird immature insulting nature of Trump appears to only work for Trump, at least as of right now.
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duskwuff 1y ago

That's not even the worst of it, either. Viruses evolve faster than birds; allowing the disease to spread unchecked is likely to result in more virulent strains emerging. This could potentially include strains which can infect other species, including humans.

tombert 1y ago
Yeah, that's what I thought as well. Isn't that the reason we need a new flu vaccine every year? Because viruses can mutate and adapt faster than animals can? I don't know anything about biology so admittedly I'm speaking out of my ass here, but that's certainly what it seemed like to me.
- BrandoElFollito 1y ago
  Yes. This is also why in Europe we can predict the efficiency of the vaccine in a given year by looking at how it worked in Australia. Unfortunately there is not enough time to adapt the vaccine between these two seasons

walls 1y ago

This idea definitely came from a tweet he read, and involved no extra consideration.

Tika2234 1y ago

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