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We are witnessing gradual destruction of the United States. Unfortunately, nothing will change before the country is in ruins, much like Germany and Japan in 1

We are witnessing gradual destruction of the United States. Unfortunately, nothing will change before the country is in ruins, much like Germany and Japan in 1945.

nxobject 1y ago
Ironically, much of the ascent of America after WWII had to do with being the only intact industrial power, which we then plowed into science and technology research. It’s a pity we don’t recognize that in our historical narratives - rather than just “we did the right thing during World War II”.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > rather than just “we did the right thing during World War II” This is now a debated point in MAGA!
  - ThrowOregonAway 1y ago
    Not really, most Republicans now realize we should have stayed out of WWII in Europe. Hitler would have crushed the USSR and hundreds of millions of lives would have been saved.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      Staying out would not have been sufficient to ensure the defeat of Stalin, but it would definitely have meant someone besides the USA got the first nuke, and also meant that the USA wasn't defending its interests in the Pacific. After the war, the British Empire (under either the British or the Axis depending on how that fight went) may well have been turned against you directly as a way to recoup losses, and regardless of which of Axis or USSR (or the British) won, someone would have gotten the magnetron and the rockets and the nuclear explosives, and it wouldn't have been the USA.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      Right, this nonsense. Whitewashing Holocaust apologist with hypotheticals about Hitler’s Europe about as credible as their budget projections.
ben_w 1y ago
I think a gradual decline looks more like the Rust Belt expanding to cover the whole country, than like Germany and Japan in 1945. But there's a few different ways that it could all come like that, and not just Trump or his team making a huge mistake: Despite how long it has been known that solar flares and HAEMPs could damage the power grid in a way that kills 60-90% of the population before it can be fixed, I have no reason to think the USA has actually hardened its infrastructure against such risks.

We are witnessing gradual destruction of the United States. Unfortunately, nothing will change before the country is in ruins, much like Germany and Japan in 1945.

nxobject 1y ago

Ironically, much of the ascent of America after WWII had to do with being the only intact industrial power, which we then plowed into science and technology research. It’s a pity we don’t recognize that in our historical narratives - rather than just “we did the right thing during World War II”.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> rather than just “we did the right thing during World War II” This is now a debated point in MAGA!
- ThrowOregonAway 1y ago
  Not really, most Republicans now realize we should have stayed out of WWII in Europe. Hitler would have crushed the USSR and hundreds of millions of lives would have been saved.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    Staying out would not have been sufficient to ensure the defeat of Stalin, but it would definitely have meant someone besides the USA got the first nuke, and also meant that the USA wasn't defending its interests in the Pacific. After the war, the British Empire (under either the British or the Axis depending on how that fight went) may well have been turned against you directly as a way to recoup losses, and regardless of which of Axis or USSR (or the British) won, someone would have gotten the magnetron and the rockets and the nuclear explosives, and it wouldn't have been the USA.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    Right, this nonsense. Whitewashing Holocaust apologist with hypotheticals about Hitler’s Europe about as credible as their budget projections.

ben_w 1y ago

I think a gradual decline looks more like the Rust Belt expanding to cover the whole country, than like Germany and Japan in 1945. But there's a few different ways that it could all come like that, and not just Trump or his team making a huge mistake: Despite how long it has been known that solar flares and HAEMPs could damage the power grid in a way that kills 60-90% of the population before it can be fixed, I have no reason to think the USA has actually hardened its infrastructure against such risks.