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I do the opposite of all of these except that first one on the carnivore diet. And I'm in the best shape, mental clarity, and energy levels that I've ever had.

I do the opposite of all of these except that first one on the carnivore diet. And I'm in the best shape, mental clarity, and energy levels that I've ever had. Bloodwork is all within normal levels and my thyroid issue has been completely solved. Nutrition is really not that complex. Our ancestors were eating primarily meat for 10's of thousands of years and we are here today because it provided them enough nutrients to have healthy children that then did the same thing. A lot of the vegetables that you are recommended to consume have anti-nutrients that are doing more harm than good. Eg: oxilates (Spinach, Swiss chard, beet greens), Phytates (Whole grains, legumes, nuts, seeds), Lectins (Beans, lentils, and some vegetables like potatoes and tomatoes), etc.

willmarch 1y ago
Our ancestors were primarily vegetarian (as in getting most of their calories from vegetables)
Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago
This seems to go against anything I heard about food, I'm confused now. We also have to account for the goal difference, meat was needed to survive in a very active environment with a lifespan of maybe 30 years per individual, if you were lucky, while now we have a very inactive environment with target about 100 years.
- KetoManx64 1y ago
  But the reason for the shorter lifespans was not the red meat or cholesterol or fats. It was due to injuries, disease, sanitation and infections.
  - geoka9 1y ago
    I mean, this is not scientific and all, but for the sake of the argument: your argument is not contrary to the grandparent's. I.e. a keto diet may be beneficial for a hunter-gatherer who only lives 30 years while bad for someone who lives well beyond that (because evolution never got to sort out that case due to injuries, disease, etc.).
    - KetoManx64 1y ago
      Well, if we use that logic, the same can be said for a diet made primarily of vegetables + fiber.
const_cast 1y ago
> Our ancestors were eating primarily meat for 10's of thousands of years I've heard this before and it needs to be said: this is a myth. Human hunter-gathers ate very, very little meat. Which makes sense when you think about it - gathering is easy, hunting is hard. Humans ate mostly nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. You might be shocked to learn early humans ate over 100 grams of fiber a day. Today, the general recommendation is 35 grams a day, but most Americans get about 2 grams. In addition, game meat is not like farmed meat. Farmed meat is high in saturated fat, but game meat has much more unsaturated fat. Game animals are significantly leaner. Humans eat the most meat they've ever eaten today. Up until maybe 70 years ago, meat was fairly rare in the human diet. Even today, high meat consumption is only observed in the west. Coincidentally, or probably not, we see the highest incidence of obesity and CVD in the west. Of course it's much more complicated than this - we eat a lot of meat, but we're also much richer and eat more in general. That's not to say that your diet is for sure unhealthy. If it's working for you, then great. Just be aware of the evidence surrounding meat consumption, particularly red and/or processed meat consumption. Processed meat in particular is pretty much never safe to eat, in any amount. It's a group 1 carcinogen, in the same classification as Tobacco and alcohol. We know, for sure, it increases your risk of cancer. Which is a shame, because pastrami is delicious.
shafyy 1y ago
Ok, KetoManx64.
- KetoManx64 1y ago
  Hey you gotta start your journey somewhere

willmarch 1y ago

Our ancestors were primarily vegetarian (as in getting most of their calories from vegetables)

Fire-Dragon-DoL 1y ago

This seems to go against anything I heard about food, I'm confused now. We also have to account for the goal difference, meat was needed to survive in a very active environment with a lifespan of maybe 30 years per individual, if you were lucky, while now we have a very inactive environment with target about 100 years.

KetoManx64 1y ago
But the reason for the shorter lifespans was not the red meat or cholesterol or fats. It was due to injuries, disease, sanitation and infections.
- geoka9 1y ago
  I mean, this is not scientific and all, but for the sake of the argument: your argument is not contrary to the grandparent's. I.e. a keto diet may be beneficial for a hunter-gatherer who only lives 30 years while bad for someone who lives well beyond that (because evolution never got to sort out that case due to injuries, disease, etc.).
  - KetoManx64 1y ago
    Well, if we use that logic, the same can be said for a diet made primarily of vegetables + fiber.

const_cast 1y ago

> Our ancestors were eating primarily meat for 10's of thousands of years I've heard this before and it needs to be said: this is a myth. Human hunter-gathers ate very, very little meat. Which makes sense when you think about it - gathering is easy, hunting is hard. Humans ate mostly nuts, berries, fruits, and vegetables. You might be shocked to learn early humans ate over 100 grams of fiber a day. Today, the general recommendation is 35 grams a day, but most Americans get about 2 grams. In addition, game meat is not like farmed meat. Farmed meat is high in saturated fat, but game meat has much more unsaturated fat. Game animals are significantly leaner. Humans eat the most meat they've ever eaten today. Up until maybe 70 years ago, meat was fairly rare in the human diet. Even today, high meat consumption is only observed in the west. Coincidentally, or probably not, we see the highest incidence of obesity and CVD in the west. Of course it's much more complicated than this - we eat a lot of meat, but we're also much richer and eat more in general. That's not to say that your diet is for sure unhealthy. If it's working for you, then great. Just be aware of the evidence surrounding meat consumption, particularly red and/or processed meat consumption. Processed meat in particular is pretty much never safe to eat, in any amount. It's a group 1 carcinogen, in the same classification as Tobacco and alcohol. We know, for sure, it increases your risk of cancer. Which is a shame, because pastrami is delicious.

shafyy 1y ago

Ok, KetoManx64.

KetoManx64 1y ago
Hey you gotta start your journey somewhere