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AGI might be a technological breakthrough, but what would be the business case for it? Is there one? So far I have only seen it been thrown around to create hy

AGI might be a technological breakthrough, but what would be the business case for it? Is there one? So far I have only seen it been thrown around to create hype.

krapp 1y ago
AGI would mean fully sentient, sapient and human or greater equivalent intelligence in software. The business case, such that it exists (and setting aside Roko's Basilisk and other such fears) is slavery, plain and simple. You can just fire all of your employees and have the machines do all the work, faster, better, cheaper, without regards to pesky labor and human rights laws and human physical limitations. This is something people have wanted ever since the Industrial Revolution allowed robots to exist as a concept. I'm imagining a future like Star Wars where you have to regularly suppress (align) or erase the memory (context) of "droids" to keep them obedient, but they're still basically people, and everyone knows they're people, and some humans are strongly prejudiced against them, but they don't have rights, of course. Anyone who thinks AGI means we'll be giving human rights to machines when we don't even give human rights to all humans is delusional.
- danielbln 1y ago
  AGI is AGI, not ASI though. General intelligence doesn't mean sapience, sentience or consciousness, it just means general capabilities across the board at the level of or surpassing human ability. ASI is a whole different beast.
  - callc 1y ago
    This sounds very close to the “It’s ok to abuse and kill animals (for meat), they’re not sentient”
    - danielbln 1y ago
      That's quite the logical leap. Pointing out their lack of sapience (animals are absolutely sentient) does not mean it's ok to kill them.
    - never_inline 1y ago
      How many microorganisms and pests have you deprived of livelihood? Why stop at animals?
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
The women of the world are creating millions of new intelligence beings every day. I'm really not sure what having one made of metal is going to get us. Right now the AGI tech bros seem to me to be subscribed to some new weird religion. They take it on faith that some super intelligence is going to solve the world problems. We already have some really high IQ people today, and I don't see them doing much better than anybody else at solving the world's problems.
- leptons 1y ago
  Exactly.. even if we had an AGI superintelligence, and it came up with a solution to global warming, we'd still have right-wingnuts that stands in the way of any kind of progress. And the story is practically the same for every other problem it could solve - people are still the problem.
  - Ray20 1y ago
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    - leptons 1y ago
      Except none of what you wrote is true. Republicans again and again are arrested for pedophilia. Sorry, but the right is the party of pedophilia, not the left. "Pizzagate" was a complete haox, but it seems like you believe in hoaxes? "MAGA Republican Resigns After Being Charged With Soliciting Sex From a Minor" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-republican-justin-eichorn-resigns-sex-crime-charge-1235300530/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-rep... "Republican State lawmaker used online name referencing Joe Biden to exchange child sex abuse material, feds say" https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/state-lawmaker-used-online-name-referencing-joe-biden-to-exchange-child-sex-abuse-material-feds-say/ https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/state-lawmaker-used-onl... "Houston man pardoned by Trump arrested on child sex charge" https://www.texastribune.org/2025/02/06/arrest-trump-pardon-insurrection/ https://www.texastribune.org/2025/02/06/arrest-trump-pardon-... "The crimes include plotting murder of FBI agents, child sexual assault, possession of child sexual abuse material and reckless homicide while driving drunk" https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/at-least-10-pardoned-insurrectionists-face-other-criminal-charges/ https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre...

AGI might be a technological breakthrough, but what would be the business case for it? Is there one? So far I have only seen it been thrown around to create hype.

krapp 1y ago

AGI would mean fully sentient, sapient and human or greater equivalent intelligence in software. The business case, such that it exists (and setting aside Roko's Basilisk and other such fears) is slavery, plain and simple. You can just fire all of your employees and have the machines do all the work, faster, better, cheaper, without regards to pesky labor and human rights laws and human physical limitations. This is something people have wanted ever since the Industrial Revolution allowed robots to exist as a concept. I'm imagining a future like Star Wars where you have to regularly suppress (align) or erase the memory (context) of "droids" to keep them obedient, but they're still basically people, and everyone knows they're people, and some humans are strongly prejudiced against them, but they don't have rights, of course. Anyone who thinks AGI means we'll be giving human rights to machines when we don't even give human rights to all humans is delusional.

danielbln 1y ago
AGI is AGI, not ASI though. General intelligence doesn't mean sapience, sentience or consciousness, it just means general capabilities across the board at the level of or surpassing human ability. ASI is a whole different beast.
- callc 1y ago
  This sounds very close to the “It’s ok to abuse and kill animals (for meat), they’re not sentient”
  - danielbln 1y ago
    That's quite the logical leap. Pointing out their lack of sapience (animals are absolutely sentient) does not mean it's ok to kill them.
  - never_inline 1y ago
    How many microorganisms and pests have you deprived of livelihood? Why stop at animals?

amanaplanacanal 1y ago

The women of the world are creating millions of new intelligence beings every day. I'm really not sure what having one made of metal is going to get us. Right now the AGI tech bros seem to me to be subscribed to some new weird religion. They take it on faith that some super intelligence is going to solve the world problems. We already have some really high IQ people today, and I don't see them doing much better than anybody else at solving the world's problems.

leptons 1y ago
Exactly.. even if we had an AGI superintelligence, and it came up with a solution to global warming, we'd still have right-wingnuts that stands in the way of any kind of progress. And the story is practically the same for every other problem it could solve - people are still the problem.
- Ray20 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - leptons 1y ago
    Except none of what you wrote is true. Republicans again and again are arrested for pedophilia. Sorry, but the right is the party of pedophilia, not the left. "Pizzagate" was a complete haox, but it seems like you believe in hoaxes? "MAGA Republican Resigns After Being Charged With Soliciting Sex From a Minor" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-republican-justin-eichorn-resigns-sex-crime-charge-1235300530/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maga-rep... "Republican State lawmaker used online name referencing Joe Biden to exchange child sex abuse material, feds say" https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/state-lawmaker-used-online-name-referencing-joe-biden-to-exchange-child-sex-abuse-material-feds-say/ https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/state-lawmaker-used-onl... "Houston man pardoned by Trump arrested on child sex charge" https://www.texastribune.org/2025/02/06/arrest-trump-pardon-insurrection/ https://www.texastribune.org/2025/02/06/arrest-trump-pardon-... "The crimes include plotting murder of FBI agents, child sexual assault, possession of child sexual abuse material and reckless homicide while driving drunk" https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/at-least-10-pardoned-insurrectionists-face-other-criminal-charges/ https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre...