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Out of the frying pan (DRM-free), into the fire (S3)? Would your dad’s book collection have passed as easily to you if its existence was dependent on paying a m
by jl6 1y ago
Out of the frying pan (DRM-free), into the fire (S3)? Would your dad’s book collection have passed as easily to you if its existence was dependent on paying a monthly bill to a bookstore that can’t be completely trusted?
- bob1029 1y agoS3 is my go-to hoarder system now too. I trust that AWS can provide more resilient storage than I can. How many 9s are you getting in your closet at home? One thing I would suggest is using local encryption of anything you store in AWS. Plausible deniability is useful for all parties involved.
- magicalhippo 1y ago> How many 9s are you getting in your closet at home? Far, far better than my residential internet connection, that's for sure. Of course, I have offsite backup of important stuff in case of fire. That said, ease of use is likely a lot better with S3 for those who don't like to tinker or have a box sit and hum.
- klabb3 1y ago> How many 9s are you getting in your closet at home? Nobody cares about the 9s. If Amazon wants to they can render the service inoperable legally, over time. Fortunately, S3 is semi-standardized so it’s ”migratable” in a real sense. The real issue is getting locked out of your account for any arbitrary reason. This happens a lot with big tech and it can be impossible to get help by a human. That’s what scares me the most but more so with Google than Amazon (at the moment).
- poisonborz 1y agoAnything you don't own can go black any time regardless of how many 9s they write in the contract. You don't own it, you have a revokeable right of access.
- danlitt 1y agoAnything you own can go black at any time too. The question is how likely is it.
- poisonborz 1y agoFalse dichotomy. The only reason your own can go black is some hw/sw failure, a risk which anyone can minimise easily by having copies. Your access of a remote corporate server can go away for 1000 reasons, making you more vulnerable. Of course it's more complex, like how often that data changes and costs of backups vs subscription price. But I find any argument for cloud products etching towards a "you'll own nothing and be happy" economy.
- danlitt 1y agoIt isn't a dichotomy! You are trying to argue that cloud storage is a bad choice on pure ideological grounds, but you haven't justified it with any data. It is a matter of fact that you are more likely to misconfigure, lose, destroy or otherwise screw up your self-hosted solution than Amazon are to withdraw service. If your reason is just "I hate Amazon" or "I don't like services that are not under my control" then say that.
- imiric 1y ago> How many 9s are you getting in your closet at home? Excluding power outages that are out of my control, during which I couldn't do any work anyway, I've had practically zero downtime of my homelab services in the many years I've been running them. Even the dozen hard drives in my NAS with several years of power on time have given me zero issues. I know that I've been lucky, and according to SnapRAID the probability of one failing in the next year is 82%, but so far I haven't had a failure yet. Even when it does happen, I'm fairly confident that the interruption will be minimal and my data will be safe. All this is to say that running and managing services yourself doesn't require much effort at all, assuming that you're technically inclined and enjoy tinkering. The idea that cloud services are inherently more robust is a myth. Most service interruptions happen because of two reasons: large scale distributed systems are very difficult to run and maintain, and the constant churn of large engineering teams introduces many operational risks. Essentially, it's all due to complexities of scale. These are not problems that a machine in a closet serving a few users will ever have, especially if you're smart about choosing simple and robust technology.
- denkmoon 1y agoIs this not wildly expensive? Even on s3 glacier the cost per TB month is quite high.
- jl6 1y agoIn the given scenario, it’s not the 9s you need to worry about, it’s the monthly bill. Unless you’ve trained your kids to be sysadmins and they have credentials and a handover plan in place, their dad’s S3 account is going to be the last thing on their mind when dealing with bereavement and estate windup. It would be very easy for the credit card to be frozen, nonpayment alert emails to go unread, and then to miss the 90 day window before AWS deletes everything.
- thrance 1y agoYou act like handing them a NAS is any easier. If we're really talking about this far into the future, they'll have to replace the failing hardware themselves, update the software or find replacements, etc. Also, I hope to still be alive when I hand them the keys to my (non AWS) S3 account. I doubt they'd enjoy those games more at 60 than at, like, 15.
- thrance 1y agoFew things: 1. I'm not going with Amazon, I live in France so I chose a french cloud provider. Laws are a bit different here. 2. I believe whatever could happen to my data, I'll see it coming and have time to move it all. 3. It's dirt cheap, and doesn't require me to manage my own storage.
- jbc1 1y agoIs s3 a generic term for cloud storage in France?
- precommunicator 1y agoS3 is a generic term for a cloud storage everywhere. Idk about proper terms, I always called Google Cloud Storage or Backblaze or any other products using S3 protocol as "S3". It all works the same
- thrance 1y agoI don't know. Me and my colleagues call "S3" every storage service that provides an AWS S3 API. I think the official name for the product I buy from my cloud provider (Scaleway) is "Object Storage".
- justsomehnguy 1y ago> I'll see it coming and have time to move it all. Thanks for the laughs.
- thrance 1y agoI know it's fashionable in America to not enjoy any good side of modern life and instead do everything yourself out of sheer paranoia, but this is getting ridiculous. Also, you would probably gain by (re)reading the guidelines of this website. You could have kept your "laughs" to yourself.
- justsomehnguy 1y ago> fashionable in America Missed. > but this is getting ridiculous Thinking what you would have any time if something goes wrong eg company bankruptcy, accounting error, being locked out or outright deleted because some anti-fraud triggered something - is what is really ridiculous. No amount of fancy, different laws would help if your data gone the way of Dodo. > you would probably gain by (re)reading the guidelines of this website Do you understand what this exactly what you should do yourself?