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In the last 10 years, have there been more than a handful of bills that got 60 votes in the senate? I wouldn't like what the current congress would do without

In the last 10 years, have there been more than a handful of bills that got 60 votes in the senate? I wouldn't like what the current congress would do without the filibuster, but at this point a paralyzed system might be worse.

apsec112 1y ago
"Despite Democrats holding thin majorities in both chambers during a period of intense political polarization, the 117th Congress (2021-2023) oversaw the passage of numerous significant bills, including the Inflation Reduction Act, American Rescue Plan Act, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, Postal Service Reform Act, Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, CHIPS and Science Act, Honoring Our PACT Act, Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act, and Respect for Marriage Act." All of these except the first two were bipartisan and got 60 Senate votes (or more)
- 9283409232 1y ago
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  - tomrod 1y ago
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    - bongodongobob 1y ago
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      - DaSHacka 1y ago
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    - 9283409232 1y ago
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    - evan_ 1y ago
      “Thought terminating cliche” has become a thought terminating cliche.
      - nandomrumber 1y ago
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      - bmacho 1y ago
        Some billion times more than any of the listed sayings in the wiki page.
    - bmacho 1y ago
      Threads being over is a good thing, isn't it? Truth's been discovered, all parties agree, no more time spent on going in circles, can move on to do other, meaningful things, etc. Unless you are facebook, and you optimize on endless churn, stealing time and showing ads. I haven't seen the original comment, but the wiki article is moronic. None of the listed example seems even bad to me, claiming that they are the devil is ridiculous. Maybe even a false flag. The only one that actually has anything to do with "terminating cliche" is "Let's agree to disagree.". But that's just the common phrase you say after you've decided to opt out of an argument. It is not (and can't be) the cause of it, it is the consequence of it.* And it is by no means any bad, or should one avoid it. * : something something people being able to easily leave an argument makes them do it more. But it would need a lot of stretch to argue that the possibility to go away from arguments is a net negative for humanity edit: can we agree that the random shit you linked is 100% unrelated to the argument at hand, therefore/and definitely should not be used? edit2: yeah, it assumes the truthness of some ridiculously nonsensical concepts, and uses them in a meta meta way, that is 2-3 steps away from the topic at hand. Much-much more annoying than anything listed. "This is the hill you want to die on, huh? Naah.. How about.." *points downwards* "..there is this hill there 14000 miles away (actually there is only ocean), how about we move this fight there?" Yeah no thx.
  - mlinhares 1y ago
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- thomquaid 1y ago
  https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/yearlycomparison.pdf https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/yearlycompari... It does seem like things are trending toward less public laws passing over the last decade, as well as record low time in session and other congressional activity.
9283409232 1y ago
The answer is to vote out politicians. Getting ranked choice voting on your states ballot would go a long way to fixing this. They would not have Mamdani on the ballot for NY mayor if it wasn't for ranked choice voting. Certain politicans know this and have made RCV illegal in their state. Get RCV on the ballot for your state.
- mindslight 1y ago
  RCV / Ranked Pairs of course. The IRV decision process is still a relic of the two party system, with the possibility for some pretty terrible strategic-voting dynamics as votes diverge from just two major parties.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    RCV is another name for IRV, it is not a generic name for the use of ranked ballots.
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- boroboro4 1y ago
  Not important but Mamdani would’ve won without ranked choice voting too, it didn’t play a role in the end.
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    We can't know. Ranked choice changes how people vote. In particular it gives people permission to vote for a candidate they like but don't expect to be able to win.
- AnthonyMouse 1y ago
  Score voting (or STAR) is better.
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a_wild_dandan 1y ago
What does that matter? We're talking trifectas here, not supermajorities. The filibuster is a cute remnant of "decorum." It's a vestigial rule which will disappear when too inconvenient. (Fun question with not-so-fun answers: why isn't the filibuster gone already?)
- ethbr1 1y ago
  > (Fun question with not-so-fun answers: why isn't the filibuster gone already?) Because both parties are scared eventually the other party will be back in the majority.
  - actionfromafar 1y ago
    So it seems like a good canary? If it’s removed, the ruling party is no longer afraid it will be ever removed from power.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    I don't think Republicans need to worry about Dems retaking the Senate anytime soon.
    - ethbr1 1y ago
      History says that would be a dumb bet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses#/media/File:Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_Stat... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_United_States_Congress#... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_United_States_Congress#... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_United_States_Congress#... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_States_Congress#...
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margalabargala 1y ago
Absolutely. Many bills in the Senate in that time have gotten over 90. Here's one that passed 95-2 that I picked at random. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/870/actions https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/870... A lot of what happens in Congress is obvious to do and everyone agrees. While the media certainly focuses on the handful of things the two parties are at odds over, most of the lawmaking done by Congress is not controversial between parties, and is simply passed, so we don't hear about it.

apsec112 1y ago

"Despite Democrats holding thin majorities in both chambers during a period of intense political polarization, the 117th Congress (2021-2023) oversaw the passage of numerous significant bills, including the Inflation Reduction Act, American Rescue Plan Act, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, Postal Service Reform Act, Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, CHIPS and Science Act, Honoring Our PACT Act, Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act, and Respect for Marriage Act." All of these except the first two were bipartisan and got 60 Senate votes (or more)

9283409232 1y ago
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- tomrod 1y ago
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  - bongodongobob 1y ago
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    - DaSHacka 1y ago
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  - 9283409232 1y ago
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  - evan_ 1y ago
    “Thought terminating cliche” has become a thought terminating cliche.
    - nandomrumber 1y ago
      [flagged]
    - bmacho 1y ago
      Some billion times more than any of the listed sayings in the wiki page.
  - bmacho 1y ago
    Threads being over is a good thing, isn't it? Truth's been discovered, all parties agree, no more time spent on going in circles, can move on to do other, meaningful things, etc. Unless you are facebook, and you optimize on endless churn, stealing time and showing ads. I haven't seen the original comment, but the wiki article is moronic. None of the listed example seems even bad to me, claiming that they are the devil is ridiculous. Maybe even a false flag. The only one that actually has anything to do with "terminating cliche" is "Let's agree to disagree.". But that's just the common phrase you say after you've decided to opt out of an argument. It is not (and can't be) the cause of it, it is the consequence of it.* And it is by no means any bad, or should one avoid it. * : something something people being able to easily leave an argument makes them do it more. But it would need a lot of stretch to argue that the possibility to go away from arguments is a net negative for humanity edit: can we agree that the random shit you linked is 100% unrelated to the argument at hand, therefore/and definitely should not be used? edit2: yeah, it assumes the truthness of some ridiculously nonsensical concepts, and uses them in a meta meta way, that is 2-3 steps away from the topic at hand. Much-much more annoying than anything listed. "This is the hill you want to die on, huh? Naah.. How about.." *points downwards* "..there is this hill there 14000 miles away (actually there is only ocean), how about we move this fight there?" Yeah no thx.
- mlinhares 1y ago
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thomquaid 1y ago
https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/yearlycomparison.pdf https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/yearlycompari... It does seem like things are trending toward less public laws passing over the last decade, as well as record low time in session and other congressional activity.

9283409232 1y ago

The answer is to vote out politicians. Getting ranked choice voting on your states ballot would go a long way to fixing this. They would not have Mamdani on the ballot for NY mayor if it wasn't for ranked choice voting. Certain politicans know this and have made RCV illegal in their state. Get RCV on the ballot for your state.

mindslight 1y ago
RCV / Ranked Pairs of course. The IRV decision process is still a relic of the two party system, with the possibility for some pretty terrible strategic-voting dynamics as votes diverge from just two major parties.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  RCV is another name for IRV, it is not a generic name for the use of ranked ballots.
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boroboro4 1y ago
Not important but Mamdani would’ve won without ranked choice voting too, it didn’t play a role in the end.
- tialaramex 1y ago
  We can't know. Ranked choice changes how people vote. In particular it gives people permission to vote for a candidate they like but don't expect to be able to win.
AnthonyMouse 1y ago
Score voting (or STAR) is better.
- 9283409232 1y ago

a_wild_dandan 1y ago

What does that matter? We're talking trifectas here, not supermajorities. The filibuster is a cute remnant of "decorum." It's a vestigial rule which will disappear when too inconvenient. (Fun question with not-so-fun answers: why isn't the filibuster gone already?)

ethbr1 1y ago
> (Fun question with not-so-fun answers: why isn't the filibuster gone already?) Because both parties are scared eventually the other party will be back in the majority.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  So it seems like a good canary? If it’s removed, the ruling party is no longer afraid it will be ever removed from power.
- int_19h 1y ago
  I don't think Republicans need to worry about Dems retaking the Senate anytime soon.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    History says that would be a dumb bet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_States_Congresses#/media/File:Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_divisions_of_United_Stat... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_United_States_Congress#... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/74th_United_States_Congress#... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/76th_United_States_Congress#... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_States_Congress#Party_summary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/89th_United_States_Congress#...
    - 1y ago

margalabargala 1y ago

Absolutely. Many bills in the Senate in that time have gotten over 90. Here's one that passed 95-2 that I picked at random. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/870/actions https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/870... A lot of what happens in Congress is obvious to do and everyone agrees. While the media certainly focuses on the handful of things the two parties are at odds over, most of the lawmaking done by Congress is not controversial between parties, and is simply passed, so we don't hear about it.