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> Or you can oust them, and quite literally take a >50% productivity hit on your team. In a short term, possibly. But do you think bcachefs is better in the c

> Or you can oust them, and quite literally take a >50% productivity hit on your team. In a short term, possibly. But do you think bcachefs is better in the current situation than if it moved at half the speed, but without conflict? By being out of kernel it will get less testing, fewer contributions, the main developer will get some time wasted on rebasing the patch set with every release, and distros are unlikely to expose bcachefs to the user any time soon. When you're working with an ecosystem / teams, single person's performance really doesn't mean that much in the end. And occasionally Kent will still have to upstream some changes to interfaces - how likely is anyone to review/merge them quickly? And now, what are the chances this will ever become more than a single person project really?

alphazard 1y ago
It would be worse for bcachefs and the kernel if they parted ways. The Linux kernel does not have a feature complete alternative to APFS. Apple, of all companies, is beating the Linux kernel at filesystems. That hasn't happened before. > When you're working with an ecosystem / teams, single person's performance really doesn't mean that much in the end. This is demonstrably not true. Kent brought Bcachefs to fruition and got it upstreamed. Wireguard was also one guy. The cryptography used in both, also 1 guy. There's an argument to be made that given an elegant, well designed system, we should assume it came from a single or a few minds. But given a system that's been around for a while, you would be right to assume that a lot of people were/are involved in keeping it around.
- viraptor 1y ago
  > Bcachefs to fruition and got it upstreamed That may be reversed, so... wouldn't count it as a success yet. The project may not get popular adoption if people don't trust its future.
- rob_c 1y ago
  > a feature complete alternative to APFS Yet Linux has better tested NFS, CEPH, a stable ZFS target... I think the opposite is still true, apples golden goose of an fs is still basically their NTFS implementation

alphazard 1y ago

It would be worse for bcachefs and the kernel if they parted ways. The Linux kernel does not have a feature complete alternative to APFS. Apple, of all companies, is beating the Linux kernel at filesystems. That hasn't happened before. > When you're working with an ecosystem / teams, single person's performance really doesn't mean that much in the end. This is demonstrably not true. Kent brought Bcachefs to fruition and got it upstreamed. Wireguard was also one guy. The cryptography used in both, also 1 guy. There's an argument to be made that given an elegant, well designed system, we should assume it came from a single or a few minds. But given a system that's been around for a while, you would be right to assume that a lot of people were/are involved in keeping it around.

viraptor 1y ago
> Bcachefs to fruition and got it upstreamed That may be reversed, so... wouldn't count it as a success yet. The project may not get popular adoption if people don't trust its future.
rob_c 1y ago
> a feature complete alternative to APFS Yet Linux has better tested NFS, CEPH, a stable ZFS target... I think the opposite is still true, apples golden goose of an fs is still basically their NTFS implementation