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I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time
by ionwake 1y ago
I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage.
I found it super alarming because why would they fake something on stage to the extent of just lying.i know Steve jobs had backup phones but jsut claiming a robot is autonomous when it isn’t I just feel it was scammy.
It reminded me of when Tesla had remote controlled Optimus bots. I mean I think that’s awesome like super cool but clearly the users thought the robots were autonomous during that dinner party.
I have no idea why I seem to be the only person bothered by “stage lies” to this level. Tbh even the Tesla bots weren’t claimed to be autonomous so actually I should never have mentioned them but it explains the “not real” vibe.
Not meaning to disparage just explaining my perception as a European maybe it’s just me though!
EDIT > Im kinda suprised by the weak arguments in the replies, I love both companies, I am just offering POSITIVE feedback, that its important ( in my eyes ) to be careful not to pretend in certain specific ways or it makes the viewer question the foundation ( which we all know is SOLID and good ).
EDIT 2 >There actually is a good rebuttal in the replies, although apparently I have "reading comprehension skill deficiencies" its just my pov that they were insinuating the robot was aware of its surroundings, which is fair enough.
- elil17 1y agoAs I understand it the Disney bots do actually use AI in a novel way: https://la.disneyresearch.com/publication/design-and-control-of-a-bipedal-robotic-character/ https://la.disneyresearch.com/publication/design-and-control... So there’s at least a bit more “there” there than the Tesla bots.
- ionwake 1y agoI believe its RL trained only. See this snipet : "Operator Commands Are Merged: The control system blends expressive animation commands (e.g., wave, look left) with balance-maintaining RL motions" I will print a full retraction if someone can confirm my gut feeling is correct
- dwattttt 1y agoHaving worked on control systems a long time ago, that's a 'nothing' statement: the whole job of the control system is to keep the robot stable/ambulating, regardless of whatever disturbances occur. It's meant to reject the forces induced due to waving exactly as much as bumping into something unexpected. It's easier to stabilise from an operator initiated wave, really; it knows it's happening before it does the wave, and would have a model of the forces it'll induce.
- ionwake 1y agoI tried to understand the point of your reply but Im not sure what your point was - I only seemed to glean "its easier to balance if the operator is moving it". Please elaborate unless Im being thick. EDIT > I upvoted your comment in any case as Im sure its helping
- rcxdude 1y ago'control system' in this case is not implying remote control, it's referring to the feedback system that adjust the actuators in response to the sensed information. If the motion is controlled automatically, then the control loop can in principle anticipate the motion in a way that it could not if it was remote controlled: i.e. the opposite, it's easier to control the motions (in terms of maintaining balance and avoiding overstressing the actuators) if the operator is not live puppeteering it.
- CoastalCoder 1y agoNot just you. I hate being lied to, especially if it's so the liar can reap some economic advantage from having the lie believed.
- AnimalMuppet 1y agoYeah. I have a general rule that I don't do business with people who lie to me.
- MichaelZuo 1y agoI can’t even imagine what kind of person would not follow that rule. Do business with people that are known liars? And just get repeatedly deceived? …Though upon reflection that would explain why the depression rate is so high.
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- omega3 1y agoAbleton Live is from Europe :)
- ionwake 1y agooof!
- gizajob 1y agoYou win the award for instant karma
- abletonlive 1y agoAnd it has fallen vastly behind other DAWs
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- gizajob 1y agoCrazy talk. All the others have been playing catchup and still aren’t there with some things.
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- timschmidt 1y agoIt seems to me like both cases raised by OP - the Disney droids and Optimus - are cases of people making assumptions and then getting upset that their assumptions were wrong and making accusations. Neither company was very forthcoming about the robots being piloted, but neither seems to be denying it either. And both seem to use RL / ML techniques to maintain balance, locomotion, etc. Not unlike Boston Dynamics' bots, which are also very carefully orchestrated by humans in multiple ways. Haters gonna hate (downvotes just prove it - ha!)
- ionwake 1y agoIf you look at the video he says " this is real time simulation .. can you believe it" basically : https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD5y1eQ3Y_o https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD5y1eQ3Y_o Yet he lists all the RL stuff that we know is used in the robot, he isnt being silent and saying " this robot is aided by AI" , or better yet, not commenting on the specifics, ( which would have been totally ok ), instead he is saying " This is real life simulation", which it isnt. EDIT > apparently I am wrong - thank you for the correction everyone!
- timschmidt 1y agoI have written motion control firmwares for 20+ years, and "this is real time simulation" has very domain-specific meaning to me. "Real time" means the code is responding to events as they happen, like with interrupts, and not via preemptible processing which could get out of sync with events. "simulation" is used by most control systems from simple PID loops to advanced balancing and motion planning. It is clearly - to me at least - doing both of those things. I think you're reading things into what he said that aren't there.
- ionwake 1y ago
- frollogaston 1y agoThere's also a very thick coat of hype in https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/glossary/ai-factory/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/glossary/ai-factory/ and related material, even though the underlying product (an ML training cluster) is real.
- hn_throwaway_99 1y ago> I don’t want to jump on nvidia but I found it super weird when they clearly remote controlled a Disney bot onto the stage and claimed it was all using real time AI which was clearly impossible due to no latency and weirdly the bot verifying correct stage position in relation to the presenter. It was obviously the Disney bot just being controlled by someone off stage. I don't know what you're referring to, but I'd just say that I don't believe what you are describing could have possibly happened. Nvidia is a huge corporation, with more than a few lawyers on staff and on retainer, and what you are describing is criminal fraud that any plaintiff's lawyer would have a field day with. So, given that, and since I don't think people who work at Nvidia are complete idiots, I think whatever you are describing didn't happen the way you are describing it. Now, it's certainly possible there was some small print disclaimer, or there was some "weasel wording" that described something with ambiguity, but when you accuse someone of criminal fraud you want to have more than "hey this is just my opinion" to back it up.
- numpad0 1y agoThey're soaked eyebrows deep in Tiktok style hype juice, believing that latest breakthrough in robotics is that AGIs just casually started walking and talking on their own and therefore anything code controlled by now is considered proof of ineptitude and fake. It's complete cult crazy talk. Not even cargocult, it's proper cultism.
- kalleboo 1y agoTefal literally sells a rice cooker that boasts "AI Smart Cooking Technology" while not even containing a microcontroller and just being controlled by the time-honored technology of "a magnet that gets hot". They also have lawyers. AI doesn't mean anything. You can claim anything uses "AI" and just define what that means yourself. They could have some basic anti-collision technology and claim it's "AI".
- moogly 1y ago> what you are describing is criminal fraud that any plaintiff's lawyer would have a field day with "Corporate puffery"
- ionwake 1y agoNot sure why my comment got so upvoted, all my comments are my personal opinion based solely on the publicly streamed video, and as I said, I’ll happily correct or retract my impression.