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Tesla's Cybertruck flop is historic. The brand collapse is even worse

81 points by 01-_- 1y ago

arresin 1y ago
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- kenjackson 1y ago
  Sort of. I think more specifically he is pushing candidates and actions that directly attack groups of people and using his wealth to do so. So why continue to fund someone who is using that money to attack you?
  - al_borland 1y ago
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    - NewJazz 1y ago
      What did the Wisconsin supreme court election have to do with the government budget? Musk's political action committee used a nearly identical tactic before the presidential election last year, offering to pay $1 million a day to voters in Wisconsin and six other battleground states who signed a petition supporting the First and Second Amendments. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-wisconsin-supreme-court-rally-1-milion-giveaway/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-wisconsin-supreme-cou...
    - terminatornet 1y ago
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    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      A lot of Americans think there were better ways to save money than to kill millions of people, turn the American flag into a global symbol of inhumanity and betrayal, hobble critical services, make government an even less appealing place for competent people to work, and then balloon the deficit anyway. Curious, ain't it. https://time.com/7298994/usaid-deaths-studies-estimates-foreign-aid-hiv-aids-malaria-sudan/ https://time.com/7298994/usaid-deaths-studies-estimates-fore...
    - AndrewDucker 1y ago
      The government already had an office of budgetary responsibility and oversight. His approach was not one of someone who had carefully investigated the situation, found real issues, and was sensibly trying to fix them. It was an idiot with a chainsaw, chopping wildly at things, so that he could say that he'd made them smaller.
    - okbuuuut 1y ago
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    - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
      I don't have a problem with wanting the government to be fiscally responsible. I don't even have a problem with thoroughly auditing exactly what the government is spending money on. I have a problem with the way DOGE went about it. Several problems, in fact. "Move fast and break things" is perhaps a reasonable startup strategy. It's entertaining with rockets. But when what's being broken is not just the government but the rule of law, I am no longer entertained.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      "Just" is the error leading to your confusion. He also supported the AfD in Germany; he also offered a million dollars to people before the election in a way that looked like a bribe even if it technically wasn't. Also Musk's actions in support of Trump may have hastened the failure of the US government, because Trump is purging disagreement rather than incompetence, also the operation of DOGE was classic Muntzing strategy of remove everything and only put it back when something breaks which resulted in at least e.g. people involved with maintaining the USA's nuclear deterrant needing to be un-fired.
    - acdha 1y ago
      If he wanted fiscal stability, he would have been lobbying Congress rather than incurring massive costs for the government. DOGE’s reckless violations of law and policy have guaranteed many large lawsuits, sloppy staff cuts regardless of merit have decreased efficiency across the board, and cuts to things like the IRS reduce revenue. This is the opposite of a serious effort to improve efficiency, in large part because they started from the belief that there was a massive fraud and waste problem based on ideology rather than sober analysis.
    - jmye 1y ago
      > It seems he just wanted to try and get the government financially healthy again. Demonstrable bullshit, given his actual actions. Doge was an idiotic waste of time that saved next to nothing, and cost the government significantly more via the IRS cuts. Come on, now.
- leakycap 1y ago
  If you're in the US, it is hard to engage with this comment as he has inserted himself directly into the fiercest debates and drama in our country. If you're outside the US, take your pick of news sources and search his name.
- DHPersonal 1y ago
  What an odd way to form a question. You seem to already be doubting the answer before it’s been sent to you.
- tormeh 1y ago
  The Hitler salutes and the endorsement of Trump were the final straws. The scuba diver thing and the incessant false promises laid the groundwork. He’s left the tribe of reasonable people. So yes, not in my tribe. He’s funded some cool work, but that only buys so much goodwill.
  - bapak 1y ago
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    - jazzyjackson 1y ago
      Because he's a troll. He spends all day on Twitter. Trolling is fun, and like Trump, he's mentally ill and mistakes attention for acceptance.
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - _aavaa_ 1y ago
      Did he actually deny it and denounce the many neo-nazis and actual nazis who clearly saw it for what it was?
    - yongjik 1y ago
      Salute because he wants to (and it riles up his fanbase), immediately deny it because he wants to, and because it riles up his fanbase again, because nothing says "I am the man of power" like being able to deny what everybody's seen with their own eyes, and gloat at people shaking in rage. Things start to make a lot of sense w.r.t. Musk and Trump when you view them as bullies, and their supporters as wannabe bullies, and they're cheering for the greatest bullies they've ever seen in their lives.
    - an0malous 1y ago
      When did he deny it? Do you have a source? He could easily have deflated the controversy if he apologized and explained that it was unintentional and that he denounces the Nazi party. Instead he gave a speech to the AFD (the modern German Nazi party) about how white people shouldn't have to feel ashamed of their history like a week later. As far as I know, he has never directly apologized or tried to explain the gesture.
- terminatornet 1y ago
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- jazzyjackson 1y ago
  For me it was that time he paid a quarter million dollars to have a woman shut up about being offered a horse in exchange for sex while exposing himself
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    Remember too that this is when he had to make a hard turn towards the American right wing, since it's a well-known safe haven for the morally bankrupt, so long as you say the magic incantations about DEI and wokeism being evil etc. He tried to frontrun the sexual harassment allegations by framing it as a red vs blue issue, making his own sexual impropriety somehow everyone else's political problem.
    - jazzyjackson 1y ago
      Yes that's right, he immediately came out as republican so he could conveniently say "they're just out to get me!"
      - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
        Just to make explicit how transparent this was, since apparently some HN'ers were taken in by the plainest con ever. 20 years of vague left-alignment just happened to be reversed within hours of being notified of an article about sexual misconduct. Remarkable coincidence! From 2002 until 2022: Elon Musk is largely apolitical, vaguely left-aligned, having donated to Hillary's campaign and claiming to have voted for her, but donated to Tesla/SpaceX/tech-friendly politicians across the spectrum May 18 2022 @ 9am ET: Elon Musk is contacted by Business Insider to comment about their story on sexual harassment + coverup allegations against him at SpaceX [0] May 18 2022 @ 12:22pm ET: Elon Musk tweets "Political attacks on me will escalate dramatically in coming months" [1] May 18 2022 @ 2:44pm ET: Elon Musk tweets "But they have become the party of division & hate, so I can no longer support them and will vote Republican. Now, watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold." [2] May 19 2022 @ 6:17pm ET: Business Insider "A SpaceX flight attendant said Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned her for sex, documents show. The company paid $250,000 for her silence." [3] [0]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/elon-musk-spacex-1.6460477 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/elon-musk-spacex-1.6460477 [1]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526961470562508802 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526961470562508802 [2]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 [3]: https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flig...
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
  It's been pretty easy to hate him since that whole bit with the kids stuck in a cave and him calling the hero "pedo guy". Then there's the long list of lies, like the predictions around self driving [0] and going to Mars [1]. And then you get to his decision to enter the political realm, take a chainsaw to government agencies without care or reason as to how they operate or what they actually do, and use his influence to self-deal. He's a corrupt asshole. If he did these same things under a different party affiliation, he'd still be a corrupt asshole. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/dhi6l6/spacex_timeline_infographic_after_elons_starship/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/dhi6l6/spacex...
- eddythompson80 1y ago
  You don't understand polarized political tension/fighting? What kind of answer are you expecting? Yes, people with polarized political beliefs don't like each other. is this something you learned today?
- bastawhiz 1y ago
  Why in the world would I buy an electric car from the guy who spent more money than I'll ever make in my life to fund the candidate most vocal about killing off electric cars? If Ben and Jerry started stumping for a candidate trying to ban ice cream I also wouldn't buy Ben & Jerry's. Seems like common sense to me.
- mikequinlan 1y ago
  The hate is because Elon is literally a Nazi. And no, Nazi's are not part of my "tribe".
leakycap 1y ago
I remember when the "Tesla source code" leaked and I was a decent programmer, so I was curious and looked through some of the posted code... I have never sat in a moving Tesla vehicle since that day. Even if that code never drove a mile, the fact someone writing code for them saved it somewhere as progress scared me. [Edit to delete references to LIDAR]: Then front radar was disabled/disconnected https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/tesla-is-disabling-radar-sensors-from-customer-cars-during-routine-service-checks/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/tesla-is-disabling-radar-s... Then he stepped into his problematic political role. It is hard to imagine any technically competent buyer getting past either of the first two, given they trust the vehicle with their mortal shell.
- user20202 1y ago
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- bastawhiz 1y ago
  > Then LIDAR was disabled/removed. Radar, not lidar. Tesla cars never had lidar.
  - leakycap 1y ago
    Thank you for correcting this, I've edited it in an obvious way so I don't misinform. There's enough of that on Tesla already. I recall Tesla having vehicles in their testing with Lidar and had no idea they never shipped it. My 2015 towing VW has two radar sensors on the front for adaptive cruise and 5 cameras for lanekeeping. The cameras constantly come on and offline depending on visibility, cleanliness, and even weather. The radars have never once misperformed. I can't imagine even trusting automatic cruise control to "vision only", much less what they are calling self-driving features. Having driven plenty of cars with adaptive cruise using only one front radar, I can't really even suggest that - false positives are likely to happen to any driver that racks up mileage when the brakes can be fully applied based on single forward radar sensor covered in bug guts.
- gruez 1y ago
  >I remember when the "Tesla source code" leaked and I was a decent programmer, so I was curious and looked through some of the posted code... I have never sat in a moving Tesla vehicle since that day. Even if that code never drove a mile, the fact someone writing code for them saved it somewhere as progress scared me. Have you looked at other car manufacturers' source code? AFAIK Toyota's source code got scrutinized as a result of the unintended acceleration lawsuits, and it was also criticized for sloppy coding. edit: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_slides.pdf#page=36 https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_...
bastawhiz 1y ago
> So who’s left to buy Teslas? Crypto grifters? Joe Rogan stans? That’s not a customer base; it’s a comment section. And Tesla’s sales numbers reflect that. Scathing!
- kreetx 1y ago
  Yeah, the opposition really wishes the Tesla to go down, while the car itself is becoming quite popular among regular people (now that there is an aftermarket as well - as it's such a new carmaker).
cyberax 1y ago
Putting aside Musk hate, Cybertruck is just not a good car. When conceived initially, it had some pretty interesting ideas. The thought process was probably like: Hmm... What if we use stainless steel instead of regular steel and avoid all the expenses of the paint shop? But then we need to use thicker panels because stainless steel is not great mechanically. So let's double down on thickness and make the panels a load-bearing "exoskeleton", this will also help us to avoid the weight penalty of the frame! But we can't stamp panels that are this thick, we just don't have big enough presses. So let's try to do this "flat" design. But they failed to achieve that. And now they have a regular boring body-on-the-frame car, with thick panels just adding useless weight and cutting down the battery range. And then there's this steer-by-wire gimmick because Elon really wanted the yoke to happen. The only remaining true improvement is the 48V power-over-Ethernet architecture.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
  It's just a bundle of bad decisions and unfortunate compromises. The uniwiper. The wheel-supporting bolts made for a much lighter vehicle. The glued on cantrails. The glue-installed light bar. The snow-collecting headlight shelf. The frequently jamming tonneau cover. The panel gaps. The sharp edges. The gear selector that likes to fall down from the ceiling. The weird discolorations and scuff marks the bed often has on delivery. The shitty cupholders. People paid $100k for this. It's criminally bad at that price.
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  I agree with everything you've written. The required engineering was just too ambitious. I ordered one on announcement day (11/21/2019). Yeah, I thought it was ugly, but the main selling point for me was its promised ability to go 500 miles on a single charge. (Apparently Musk has a habit of making promises he cannot keep.) I really wanted that 500 mile range. My two homes are 300 miles apart, and I don't want to waste my time at a charging station while traveling between them. I also liked the idea of using the truck as a power-wall for my (4kW) solar plant. I cancelled my order and got my $100 back (after inflation ate about 20% of it). The Lucid Air (GT) offers similar range (512 miles), but it's not a truck, which I also really wanted. (I have enough cars already.) Also, the price of the Lucid Air was more than double that of the promised CT price. In the end, the CT price went up and the Lucid Air price went down, so they're now within about 10% of each other.
drcongo 1y ago
Musk's problem is that his army of sycophants who whooped and cheered the unveiling of the Cybertruck don't have any money. They're jobless teenage boys with no hope of ever earning enough to buy the thing.
AlecSchueler 1y ago
Why is it flagged? Can we not discuss Tesla anymore because the Nazi salute made everything so divisive?
- jazzyjackson 1y ago
  I was surprised to see dailykos still exists, fairly low quality source, article is basically a screed sprinkled with statistics

81 points by 01-_- 1y ago

arresin 1y ago

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kenjackson 1y ago
Sort of. I think more specifically he is pushing candidates and actions that directly attack groups of people and using his wealth to do so. So why continue to fund someone who is using that money to attack you?
- al_borland 1y ago
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  - NewJazz 1y ago
    What did the Wisconsin supreme court election have to do with the government budget? Musk's political action committee used a nearly identical tactic before the presidential election last year, offering to pay $1 million a day to voters in Wisconsin and six other battleground states who signed a petition supporting the First and Second Amendments. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-wisconsin-supreme-court-rally-1-milion-giveaway/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-wisconsin-supreme-cou...
  - terminatornet 1y ago
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  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    A lot of Americans think there were better ways to save money than to kill millions of people, turn the American flag into a global symbol of inhumanity and betrayal, hobble critical services, make government an even less appealing place for competent people to work, and then balloon the deficit anyway. Curious, ain't it. https://time.com/7298994/usaid-deaths-studies-estimates-foreign-aid-hiv-aids-malaria-sudan/ https://time.com/7298994/usaid-deaths-studies-estimates-fore...
  - AndrewDucker 1y ago
    The government already had an office of budgetary responsibility and oversight. His approach was not one of someone who had carefully investigated the situation, found real issues, and was sensibly trying to fix them. It was an idiot with a chainsaw, chopping wildly at things, so that he could say that he'd made them smaller.
  - okbuuuut 1y ago
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  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    I don't have a problem with wanting the government to be fiscally responsible. I don't even have a problem with thoroughly auditing exactly what the government is spending money on. I have a problem with the way DOGE went about it. Several problems, in fact. "Move fast and break things" is perhaps a reasonable startup strategy. It's entertaining with rockets. But when what's being broken is not just the government but the rule of law, I am no longer entertained.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    "Just" is the error leading to your confusion. He also supported the AfD in Germany; he also offered a million dollars to people before the election in a way that looked like a bribe even if it technically wasn't. Also Musk's actions in support of Trump may have hastened the failure of the US government, because Trump is purging disagreement rather than incompetence, also the operation of DOGE was classic Muntzing strategy of remove everything and only put it back when something breaks which resulted in at least e.g. people involved with maintaining the USA's nuclear deterrant needing to be un-fired.
  - acdha 1y ago
    If he wanted fiscal stability, he would have been lobbying Congress rather than incurring massive costs for the government. DOGE’s reckless violations of law and policy have guaranteed many large lawsuits, sloppy staff cuts regardless of merit have decreased efficiency across the board, and cuts to things like the IRS reduce revenue. This is the opposite of a serious effort to improve efficiency, in large part because they started from the belief that there was a massive fraud and waste problem based on ideology rather than sober analysis.
  - jmye 1y ago
    > It seems he just wanted to try and get the government financially healthy again. Demonstrable bullshit, given his actual actions. Doge was an idiotic waste of time that saved next to nothing, and cost the government significantly more via the IRS cuts. Come on, now.
leakycap 1y ago
If you're in the US, it is hard to engage with this comment as he has inserted himself directly into the fiercest debates and drama in our country. If you're outside the US, take your pick of news sources and search his name.
DHPersonal 1y ago
What an odd way to form a question. You seem to already be doubting the answer before it’s been sent to you.
tormeh 1y ago
The Hitler salutes and the endorsement of Trump were the final straws. The scuba diver thing and the incessant false promises laid the groundwork. He’s left the tribe of reasonable people. So yes, not in my tribe. He’s funded some cool work, but that only buys so much goodwill.
- bapak 1y ago
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  - jazzyjackson 1y ago
    Because he's a troll. He spends all day on Twitter. Trolling is fun, and like Trump, he's mentally ill and mistakes attention for acceptance.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - _aavaa_ 1y ago
    Did he actually deny it and denounce the many neo-nazis and actual nazis who clearly saw it for what it was?
  - yongjik 1y ago
    Salute because he wants to (and it riles up his fanbase), immediately deny it because he wants to, and because it riles up his fanbase again, because nothing says "I am the man of power" like being able to deny what everybody's seen with their own eyes, and gloat at people shaking in rage. Things start to make a lot of sense w.r.t. Musk and Trump when you view them as bullies, and their supporters as wannabe bullies, and they're cheering for the greatest bullies they've ever seen in their lives.
  - an0malous 1y ago
    When did he deny it? Do you have a source? He could easily have deflated the controversy if he apologized and explained that it was unintentional and that he denounces the Nazi party. Instead he gave a speech to the AFD (the modern German Nazi party) about how white people shouldn't have to feel ashamed of their history like a week later. As far as I know, he has never directly apologized or tried to explain the gesture.
terminatornet 1y ago
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jazzyjackson 1y ago
For me it was that time he paid a quarter million dollars to have a woman shut up about being offered a horse in exchange for sex while exposing himself
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  Remember too that this is when he had to make a hard turn towards the American right wing, since it's a well-known safe haven for the morally bankrupt, so long as you say the magic incantations about DEI and wokeism being evil etc. He tried to frontrun the sexual harassment allegations by framing it as a red vs blue issue, making his own sexual impropriety somehow everyone else's political problem.
  - jazzyjackson 1y ago
    Yes that's right, he immediately came out as republican so he could conveniently say "they're just out to get me!"
    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      Just to make explicit how transparent this was, since apparently some HN'ers were taken in by the plainest con ever. 20 years of vague left-alignment just happened to be reversed within hours of being notified of an article about sexual misconduct. Remarkable coincidence! From 2002 until 2022: Elon Musk is largely apolitical, vaguely left-aligned, having donated to Hillary's campaign and claiming to have voted for her, but donated to Tesla/SpaceX/tech-friendly politicians across the spectrum May 18 2022 @ 9am ET: Elon Musk is contacted by Business Insider to comment about their story on sexual harassment + coverup allegations against him at SpaceX [0] May 18 2022 @ 12:22pm ET: Elon Musk tweets "Political attacks on me will escalate dramatically in coming months" [1] May 18 2022 @ 2:44pm ET: Elon Musk tweets "But they have become the party of division & hate, so I can no longer support them and will vote Republican. Now, watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold." [2] May 19 2022 @ 6:17pm ET: Business Insider "A SpaceX flight attendant said Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned her for sex, documents show. The company paid $250,000 for her silence." [3] [0]: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/elon-musk-spacex-1.6460477 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/elon-musk-spacex-1.6460477 [1]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526961470562508802 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526961470562508802 [2]: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658 [3]: https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5 https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flig...
sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
It's been pretty easy to hate him since that whole bit with the kids stuck in a cave and him calling the hero "pedo guy". Then there's the long list of lies, like the predictions around self driving [0] and going to Mars [1]. And then you get to his decision to enter the political realm, take a chainsaw to government agencies without care or reason as to how they operate or what they actually do, and use his influence to self-deal. He's a corrupt asshole. If he did these same things under a different party affiliation, he'd still be a corrupt asshole. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono... [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/dhi6l6/spacex_timeline_infographic_after_elons_starship/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/dhi6l6/spacex...
eddythompson80 1y ago
You don't understand polarized political tension/fighting? What kind of answer are you expecting? Yes, people with polarized political beliefs don't like each other. is this something you learned today?
bastawhiz 1y ago
Why in the world would I buy an electric car from the guy who spent more money than I'll ever make in my life to fund the candidate most vocal about killing off electric cars? If Ben and Jerry started stumping for a candidate trying to ban ice cream I also wouldn't buy Ben & Jerry's. Seems like common sense to me.
mikequinlan 1y ago
The hate is because Elon is literally a Nazi. And no, Nazi's are not part of my "tribe".

leakycap 1y ago

I remember when the "Tesla source code" leaked and I was a decent programmer, so I was curious and looked through some of the posted code... I have never sat in a moving Tesla vehicle since that day. Even if that code never drove a mile, the fact someone writing code for them saved it somewhere as progress scared me. [Edit to delete references to LIDAR]: Then front radar was disabled/disconnected https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/tesla-is-disabling-radar-sensors-from-customer-cars-during-routine-service-checks/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/tesla-is-disabling-radar-s... Then he stepped into his problematic political role. It is hard to imagine any technically competent buyer getting past either of the first two, given they trust the vehicle with their mortal shell.

user20202 1y ago
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bastawhiz 1y ago
> Then LIDAR was disabled/removed. Radar, not lidar. Tesla cars never had lidar.
- leakycap 1y ago
  Thank you for correcting this, I've edited it in an obvious way so I don't misinform. There's enough of that on Tesla already. I recall Tesla having vehicles in their testing with Lidar and had no idea they never shipped it. My 2015 towing VW has two radar sensors on the front for adaptive cruise and 5 cameras for lanekeeping. The cameras constantly come on and offline depending on visibility, cleanliness, and even weather. The radars have never once misperformed. I can't imagine even trusting automatic cruise control to "vision only", much less what they are calling self-driving features. Having driven plenty of cars with adaptive cruise using only one front radar, I can't really even suggest that - false positives are likely to happen to any driver that racks up mileage when the brakes can be fully applied based on single forward radar sensor covered in bug guts.
gruez 1y ago
>I remember when the "Tesla source code" leaked and I was a decent programmer, so I was curious and looked through some of the posted code... I have never sat in a moving Tesla vehicle since that day. Even if that code never drove a mile, the fact someone writing code for them saved it somewhere as progress scared me. Have you looked at other car manufacturers' source code? AFAIK Toyota's source code got scrutinized as a result of the unintended acceleration lawsuits, and it was also criticized for sloppy coding. edit: https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_slides.pdf#page=36 https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/pubs/koopman14_toyota_ua_...

bastawhiz 1y ago

> So who’s left to buy Teslas? Crypto grifters? Joe Rogan stans? That’s not a customer base; it’s a comment section. And Tesla’s sales numbers reflect that. Scathing!

kreetx 1y ago
Yeah, the opposition really wishes the Tesla to go down, while the car itself is becoming quite popular among regular people (now that there is an aftermarket as well - as it's such a new carmaker).

cyberax 1y ago

Putting aside Musk hate, Cybertruck is just not a good car. When conceived initially, it had some pretty interesting ideas. The thought process was probably like: Hmm... What if we use stainless steel instead of regular steel and avoid all the expenses of the paint shop? But then we need to use thicker panels because stainless steel is not great mechanically. So let's double down on thickness and make the panels a load-bearing "exoskeleton", this will also help us to avoid the weight penalty of the frame! But we can't stamp panels that are this thick, we just don't have big enough presses. So let's try to do this "flat" design. But they failed to achieve that. And now they have a regular boring body-on-the-frame car, with thick panels just adding useless weight and cutting down the battery range. And then there's this steer-by-wire gimmick because Elon really wanted the yoke to happen. The only remaining true improvement is the 48V power-over-Ethernet architecture.

sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
It's just a bundle of bad decisions and unfortunate compromises. The uniwiper. The wheel-supporting bolts made for a much lighter vehicle. The glued on cantrails. The glue-installed light bar. The snow-collecting headlight shelf. The frequently jamming tonneau cover. The panel gaps. The sharp edges. The gear selector that likes to fall down from the ceiling. The weird discolorations and scuff marks the bed often has on delivery. The shitty cupholders. People paid $100k for this. It's criminally bad at that price.
anonymousiam 1y ago
I agree with everything you've written. The required engineering was just too ambitious. I ordered one on announcement day (11/21/2019). Yeah, I thought it was ugly, but the main selling point for me was its promised ability to go 500 miles on a single charge. (Apparently Musk has a habit of making promises he cannot keep.) I really wanted that 500 mile range. My two homes are 300 miles apart, and I don't want to waste my time at a charging station while traveling between them. I also liked the idea of using the truck as a power-wall for my (4kW) solar plant. I cancelled my order and got my $100 back (after inflation ate about 20% of it). The Lucid Air (GT) offers similar range (512 miles), but it's not a truck, which I also really wanted. (I have enough cars already.) Also, the price of the Lucid Air was more than double that of the promised CT price. In the end, the CT price went up and the Lucid Air price went down, so they're now within about 10% of each other.

drcongo 1y ago

Musk's problem is that his army of sycophants who whooped and cheered the unveiling of the Cybertruck don't have any money. They're jobless teenage boys with no hope of ever earning enough to buy the thing.

AlecSchueler 1y ago

Why is it flagged? Can we not discuss Tesla anymore because the Nazi salute made everything so divisive?

jazzyjackson 1y ago
I was surprised to see dailykos still exists, fairly low quality source, article is basically a screed sprinkled with statistics