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He’s definitely a good salesman. People already distrusted the elites and the `deep state` and he marketed himself as the outsider who’d fix things. That still

He’s definitely a good salesman. People already distrusted the elites and the `deep state` and he marketed himself as the outsider who’d fix things. That still isn’t sufficient evidence in his favor, given everything happening now.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>People already distrusted the elites and the `deep state` and he marketed himself as the outsider who’d fix things. Q: If this was such an obvious slam dunk on how to win the presidency, why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? Wouldn't that make them stupider than the Donald for such an obvious oversight of the electorate? >That still isn’t sufficient evidence in his favor, given everything happening now. Managing to become president twice is insuficient evidence?
- nsingh2 1y ago
  > If this was such an obvious slam dunk on how to win the presidency, why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? The Democratic party in it's current state is ineffective & incompetent in many ways. > Managing to become president twice is insufficient evidence? Yes. You are ignoring the damage he is doing now, which is direct evidence against him being a good “systems thinker”
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    "Good system thinker" was obviously meant in a self serving way that benefits himself and his cronies. I assumed that was obvious since we're talking about world leaders here, not nurses. Presidents aren't there to make YOUR life better. All world leaders are cut from the same self serving cloth as you don't get to become a presidential nominee if you're a genuine threat to the establishment.
    - nsingh2 1y ago
      These kinds of selfish policies backfire when they cut the ground out from under you. Trump and his cronies live in the US and are predominantly invested there, and undermining the US in the long term also undermines them and their interests. The stability of the US correlates with the stability of their power, I would consider this to be basic systems-thinking on the scale of a nation.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >These kinds of selfish policies backfire when they cut the ground out from under you How? They keep giving themselves more tax breaks. Sounds like their ground is just fine.
- jghn 1y ago
  > why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? For one thing, the GOP have had a successful campaign over the last 50+ years to win the framing war. They're now able to present themselves as the plucky outsider who'll come in and fix things, even when they're not. Likewise, the Dems are *not* able to do this, even when they are. Also the Dems are incompetent boobs.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>People already distrusted the elites and the `deep state` and he marketed himself as the outsider who’d fix things. Q: If this was such an obvious slam dunk on how to win the presidency, why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? Wouldn't that make them stupider than the Donald for such an obvious oversight of the electorate? >That still isn’t sufficient evidence in his favor, given everything happening now. Managing to become president twice is insuficient evidence?

nsingh2 1y ago
> If this was such an obvious slam dunk on how to win the presidency, why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? The Democratic party in it's current state is ineffective & incompetent in many ways. > Managing to become president twice is insufficient evidence? Yes. You are ignoring the damage he is doing now, which is direct evidence against him being a good “systems thinker”
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  "Good system thinker" was obviously meant in a self serving way that benefits himself and his cronies. I assumed that was obvious since we're talking about world leaders here, not nurses. Presidents aren't there to make YOUR life better. All world leaders are cut from the same self serving cloth as you don't get to become a presidential nominee if you're a genuine threat to the establishment.
  - nsingh2 1y ago
    These kinds of selfish policies backfire when they cut the ground out from under you. Trump and his cronies live in the US and are predominantly invested there, and undermining the US in the long term also undermines them and their interests. The stability of the US correlates with the stability of their power, I would consider this to be basic systems-thinking on the scale of a nation.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      >These kinds of selfish policies backfire when they cut the ground out from under you How? They keep giving themselves more tax breaks. Sounds like their ground is just fine.
jghn 1y ago
> why didn't the Dems come up with such a candidate? For one thing, the GOP have had a successful campaign over the last 50+ years to win the framing war. They're now able to present themselves as the plucky outsider who'll come in and fix things, even when they're not. Likewise, the Dems are *not* able to do this, even when they are. Also the Dems are incompetent boobs.