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Rust will be (already became?) as complex as C++, if not more. Zig will be as complex as early rust. It's like a force of nature.

• tialaramex 1y ago
  How do you figure Rust is "as complex as C++" ?
  • pjmlp 1y ago
    I guess, two macro systems, ML type system, affine types, crates using nightly features, having a hard time keeping up with every six weeks feature drops.
    • tialaramex 1y ago
      I get two macro systems, but a coherent type system seems simpler to understand. The existence of "regular void" proposals seems to underscore that the "easy" C type system's incoherence doesn't end up being easy to work with or reason about. And I don't see "crates using nightly features" as somehow a language complexity. Are we counting "Three different compilers with their own quirks" as a C++ complexity? Nor is the six week cadence a complexity. When naked functions stabilized a handful of people went "Hooray" and nearly everybody else doesn't care. And that's not even a feature in standard C++. You have to go read your vendor instructions and do it separately each time. "Yay!".
      • pjmlp 1y ago
        I like both languages, those are the issues where I see someone looking from outside and having such complexity claim as the OP. The ecosystem is part of what means to use a specific language, though. Yeah, having to guess what standards and extensions each C and C++ compiler implement, is also an issue with them, and will eventually come to Rust as implementations eventually come up, originally there was only CFront and UNIX System V compilers.