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Honestly, it’s the way I’m planning to go. Not 4 simultaneous full time jobs, but 2 (or one fulltime job and 2 contractor part time jobs). Reason: it’s easier

Honestly, it’s the way I’m planning to go. Not 4 simultaneous full time jobs, but 2 (or one fulltime job and 2 contractor part time jobs). Reason: it’s easier to pass the interview for less demanding jobs (not faang, not second level faang), they are less demanding in the day to day (no “exceeds expectations”, “meets expectations”, “under expectations”, just simply “good job Joe!” and “shit happens Joe”), they are usually less structured (no silly ex-faang engineers/managers playing god). They usually pay less, ofc, hence the need to have a couple of jobs. At least in western europe, it’s very hard to land a 130K job, but two 65K jobs? Rather fine.

Lyngbakr 1y ago
But when you have multiple jobs, doesn't admin end up being a greater proportion of your time since you have to deal with it for several companies?
- tkiolp4 1y ago
  It’s not that I may do it for fun precisely. I want to pay off my house, but I don’t see myself working for the next 30 years earning as much as I have been earning in the last 3 years. Economy is going bad, countries are in war, and everything is just getting harder… if I can double my income (and hence reduce by half the time I’m exposed as a worker to this society) then I’ll do it. Juggling between two jobs doesn’t sound that bad anymore.
distances 1y ago
I wonder how two full time contracts could even work out in Europe. Surely they both can't pay the social security contributions, pension etc? Also don't most work contracts expressly prohibit taking a second job, with the reasoning that the company expects employees to rest so they stay productive in the main job? It's hard to get a 130K job in EU but it's easy to reach and exceed that as an independent contractor, so that's an avenue you could try out.
- cardanome 1y ago
  Here in Germany you are currently only allowed to work 48hours per week. Also there are strict laws for companies to actually track work time. So it is absolutely impossible for someone here to have two full time jobs without committing working time fraud. But even if you could, it would make literally no sense two have jobs as you earn vastly more with freelancing anyway. You would scam yourself. The most optimal move is to have one regular job so you get health care and social security and do freelancing on the side. If you work contract allows that, of course.
  - oc1 1y ago
    not only that but the german tax system is designed in a way to make holding multiple jobs as unattractive as possible.
  - Teever 1y ago
    Really? Like, in Germany it's illegal for someone to have a full-time job doing software and then a side business making soap and selling it at a farmer's market on the weekend? That's... peculiar.
    - shankr 1y ago
      Yes! It basically means you go full on freelance or just stay put with whatever job you have. I wanted to try freelancing before I quite my full time job but it's not that easy legally.
      - cardanome 1y ago
        I am a bit confused why you think it is not easy. In fact you have the right to reduce your hours from full time to part time if your company employs more than 15 people. So you can easily make time for a freelancing job on the side. Also you don't really need to track your hours when freelancing other than maybe for billing purposes so you really don't need to worry about hours anyway. Generally you are considered part-time self-employed when doing less than 18 hours per week. Earning a bit on the side is really not an issue in Germany. In fact the combination of having a part time employed job and then doing freelancing is very popular. What doesn't work is being full time employed at two companies but that would make no sense even if you could as you would earn much less and pay insane taxes.
jxjnskkzxxhx 1y ago
Could you give me an example of these non demanding jobs? Just so I get sense of the type of company you mean.

Lyngbakr 1y ago

But when you have multiple jobs, doesn't admin end up being a greater proportion of your time since you have to deal with it for several companies?

tkiolp4 1y ago
It’s not that I may do it for fun precisely. I want to pay off my house, but I don’t see myself working for the next 30 years earning as much as I have been earning in the last 3 years. Economy is going bad, countries are in war, and everything is just getting harder… if I can double my income (and hence reduce by half the time I’m exposed as a worker to this society) then I’ll do it. Juggling between two jobs doesn’t sound that bad anymore.

distances 1y ago

I wonder how two full time contracts could even work out in Europe. Surely they both can't pay the social security contributions, pension etc? Also don't most work contracts expressly prohibit taking a second job, with the reasoning that the company expects employees to rest so they stay productive in the main job? It's hard to get a 130K job in EU but it's easy to reach and exceed that as an independent contractor, so that's an avenue you could try out.

cardanome 1y ago
Here in Germany you are currently only allowed to work 48hours per week. Also there are strict laws for companies to actually track work time. So it is absolutely impossible for someone here to have two full time jobs without committing working time fraud. But even if you could, it would make literally no sense two have jobs as you earn vastly more with freelancing anyway. You would scam yourself. The most optimal move is to have one regular job so you get health care and social security and do freelancing on the side. If you work contract allows that, of course.
- oc1 1y ago
  not only that but the german tax system is designed in a way to make holding multiple jobs as unattractive as possible.
- Teever 1y ago
  Really? Like, in Germany it's illegal for someone to have a full-time job doing software and then a side business making soap and selling it at a farmer's market on the weekend? That's... peculiar.
  - shankr 1y ago
    Yes! It basically means you go full on freelance or just stay put with whatever job you have. I wanted to try freelancing before I quite my full time job but it's not that easy legally.
    - cardanome 1y ago
      I am a bit confused why you think it is not easy. In fact you have the right to reduce your hours from full time to part time if your company employs more than 15 people. So you can easily make time for a freelancing job on the side. Also you don't really need to track your hours when freelancing other than maybe for billing purposes so you really don't need to worry about hours anyway. Generally you are considered part-time self-employed when doing less than 18 hours per week. Earning a bit on the side is really not an issue in Germany. In fact the combination of having a part time employed job and then doing freelancing is very popular. What doesn't work is being full time employed at two companies but that would make no sense even if you could as you would earn much less and pay insane taxes.

jxjnskkzxxhx 1y ago

Could you give me an example of these non demanding jobs? Just so I get sense of the type of company you mean.