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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbol

Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

xerox13ster 1y ago
The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Depending on how you define the Ten Stages of Genocide, we for sure have crossed the 3rd stage of genocide with all the state level anti trans bills and Trumps executive orders, and they’ve also engaged in stages 4 and 6. They’re not pressing on the brake, there’s a lead block on the gas pedal and they have repeatedly professed to wanting to erase us from public life. Trump released a campaign video about it in Feb/March of 2023. https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  >The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any point.
  - spit2wind 1y ago
    Regarding "persecuted legally", this administration is actively trying to dismantle the rule of law and flouts it. I appreciate you looking for examples. This podcast episode will give you some, as well as a lens through which you may spot others. https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-324-whats-good-for-the-goose/ https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-324-whats-goo...
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    Arbitrarily overriding trans people's declared gender on passport applications? https://www.genderjusticeleague.org/trans-non-binary-passport-update-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.genderjusticeleague.org/trans-non-binary-passpor...
  - xerox13ster 1y ago
    I literally named one: Trump's anti-trans sports executive order. Care to read more than a sentence at a time?
    - aaaja 1y ago
      That executive order is for the benefit of female athletes who have been disadvantaged and adversely affected by male-inclusion policy. The order is not "anti-trans". Its purpose is to restore fairness and improve safety in women's sports.
      - xerox13ster 1y ago
        Your tortured use of language reveals the twisted thought process behind them. In your statement, you erase trans people and redefined them as something else that fits your small worldview. That is in and of itself inherently anti-trans. Someone being a trans woman does not make their participation in sports “male inclusion”. They are a woman if they transitioned to become a woman, and saying they are not and should be excluded because you said so is anti trans.
        aaaja 1y ago
        Not sure what you find objectionable about my use of language. I thought I was being very clear. Point is that the female category in sports is constructed around female bodies, not identities. The category exists because if it didn't, sport would be dominated by male athletes and we would not be able to appreciate female athletic excellence. So, changing this to include a subset of male athletes with male physiological advantage undermines its main purpose. This executive order, and similar policy elsewhere, which ensures male athletes are excluded from competing in the female category isn't "anti-trans" because, in fact, athletes with a trans identity can and do still compete in this category. Some examples: Keelin Godsey, Hergie Bacyadan, Iszac Henig.
ychnd 1y ago
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    > Currently, the Trump admin is actually deporting fewer illegal immigrants per month from the U.S than either the Biden or Obama admins did previously. Interesting, got any source for this claim ? Whether current claims are overblown or not, I assume that it's what Trump 2 might do next that is a cause of concern for a lot of people. Between his mercurial behaviour, disregard for the rule of law, and some of the previously stated goals... The situation is quite different of course, but one of the planned first "Jewish Solutions" by the Nazi regime was instead deporting them to... Madagascar. (A really weird alternative to consider to the current Israelo-Palestinian conflict, huh. Someone should perhaps write an alternative Man in a High Castle story about this...) Things can turn very bad quite quickly when previous norms of behaviour go out of the window...
aisenik 1y ago
It is essential to understand the concepts involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide And then you can take your pick of media outlets. The Office Of Remigration is happening, they aren't hiding it. For example: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detailed-plan-to-restructure-state-department-to-focus-on-trumps-priorities https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detai... This is just one clear-cut example of the administration prosecuting genocide. There are others, there's plenty of boogeymen. Assuming you disagree that this is proof of genocide-in-progress, please explain to me how an official policy of ethnic cleansing is not prosecuting genocide. It will be illustrative. In parting, a digestif, courtesy of the prominent far-right ideologue who's made public claims of a lurid sexual relationship with Trump: https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1939831588902109629#m https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1939831588902109629#m
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const_cast 1y ago
I agree that "genocide" might be a bit hyperbolic, but I think it's important to note that pretty much all genocides historically were done covertly, and under the guise of legitimate policy. If there were a genocide going on right now, it's entirely possible most people would not know and it could even be hidden in plain sight.
nativeit 1y ago
https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=title&order=asc https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl...
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Feel free to point me to a single instance of Trump administration genocide and i'll happily reconsider my thoughts. I'm no fan of this government, but hyperbole does nobody any good.

xerox13ster 1y ago

The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Depending on how you define the Ten Stages of Genocide, we for sure have crossed the 3rd stage of genocide with all the state level anti trans bills and Trumps executive orders, and they’ve also engaged in stages 4 and 6. They’re not pressing on the brake, there’s a lead block on the gas pedal and they have repeatedly professed to wanting to erase us from public life. Trump released a campaign video about it in Feb/March of 2023. https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages

southernplaces7 1y ago
>The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any point.
- spit2wind 1y ago
  Regarding "persecuted legally", this administration is actively trying to dismantle the rule of law and flouts it. I appreciate you looking for examples. This podcast episode will give you some, as well as a lens through which you may spot others. https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-324-whats-good-for-the-goose/ https://www.dancarlin.com/product/common-sense-324-whats-goo...
- ethbr1 1y ago
  Arbitrarily overriding trans people's declared gender on passport applications? https://www.genderjusticeleague.org/trans-non-binary-passport-update-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.genderjusticeleague.org/trans-non-binary-passpor...
- xerox13ster 1y ago
  I literally named one: Trump's anti-trans sports executive order. Care to read more than a sentence at a time?
  - aaaja 1y ago
    That executive order is for the benefit of female athletes who have been disadvantaged and adversely affected by male-inclusion policy. The order is not "anti-trans". Its purpose is to restore fairness and improve safety in women's sports.
    - xerox13ster 1y ago
      Your tortured use of language reveals the twisted thought process behind them. In your statement, you erase trans people and redefined them as something else that fits your small worldview. That is in and of itself inherently anti-trans. Someone being a trans woman does not make their participation in sports “male inclusion”. They are a woman if they transitioned to become a woman, and saying they are not and should be excluded because you said so is anti trans.
      - aaaja 1y ago
        Not sure what you find objectionable about my use of language. I thought I was being very clear. Point is that the female category in sports is constructed around female bodies, not identities. The category exists because if it didn't, sport would be dominated by male athletes and we would not be able to appreciate female athletic excellence. So, changing this to include a subset of male athletes with male physiological advantage undermines its main purpose. This executive order, and similar policy elsewhere, which ensures male athletes are excluded from competing in the female category isn't "anti-trans" because, in fact, athletes with a trans identity can and do still compete in this category. Some examples: Keelin Godsey, Hergie Bacyadan, Iszac Henig.

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- BlueTemplar 1y ago
  > Currently, the Trump admin is actually deporting fewer illegal immigrants per month from the U.S than either the Biden or Obama admins did previously. Interesting, got any source for this claim ? Whether current claims are overblown or not, I assume that it's what Trump 2 might do next that is a cause of concern for a lot of people. Between his mercurial behaviour, disregard for the rule of law, and some of the previously stated goals... The situation is quite different of course, but one of the planned first "Jewish Solutions" by the Nazi regime was instead deporting them to... Madagascar. (A really weird alternative to consider to the current Israelo-Palestinian conflict, huh. Someone should perhaps write an alternative Man in a High Castle story about this...) Things can turn very bad quite quickly when previous norms of behaviour go out of the window...

aisenik 1y ago

It is essential to understand the concepts involved: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide And then you can take your pick of media outlets. The Office Of Remigration is happening, they aren't hiding it. For example: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detailed-plan-to-restructure-state-department-to-focus-on-trumps-priorities https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/29/politics/rubio-lays-out-detai... This is just one clear-cut example of the administration prosecuting genocide. There are others, there's plenty of boogeymen. Assuming you disagree that this is proof of genocide-in-progress, please explain to me how an official policy of ethnic cleansing is not prosecuting genocide. It will be illustrative. In parting, a digestif, courtesy of the prominent far-right ideologue who's made public claims of a lurid sexual relationship with Trump: https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1939831588902109629#m https://xcancel.com/LauraLoomer/status/1939831588902109629#m

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const_cast 1y ago

I agree that "genocide" might be a bit hyperbolic, but I think it's important to note that pretty much all genocides historically were done covertly, and under the guise of legitimate policy. If there were a genocide going on right now, it's entirely possible most people would not know and it could even be hidden in plain sight.

nativeit 1y ago

https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=title&order=asc https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=titl...

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