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What about deporting a student who is in the country legally as punishment writing an op-ed you don't like?

by moolcool 1y ago

mensetmanusman 1y ago
America argues it is their right to assemble who they want in their borders.
- nullstyle 1y ago
  Not America. The current administration and a select set of piss poor citizens
Slamidan 1y ago
as a guest that's the deal in most countries.
- Tryk 1y ago
  What makes you say that?
- breakyerself 1y ago
  Do you like freedom or not?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > that's the deal in most countries Most countries aren’t America.
  - buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
    So.. America can't protect American interests when deciding who should be in the country? If I went to Mexico and started protesting I would fully expect Mexico to send me home. And I'd support their right to do so.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > America can't protect American interests when deciding who should be in the country? America shouldn’t be sending masked goons into courthouses to disappear people. I was actually supportive of Trump’s illegal immigrant pitch at the get go. But then he totally ignored the gangs, going after tax-paying migrants because Miller found them easier to round up. And then he started deporting Americans. This isn’t even a problem of evil. It’s one of incompetence. We have a bunch of nutwads in masks wearing camo doing whatever they can to hit numbers. This is bureaucratic failure on steroids. > I'd support their right to do so Honestly, I’m fine with this. I am also fine with someone publishing this app. (We frankly need a database of ICE agents who have broken the law so they can be dealt with down the road.)
      - discgolf3 1y ago
        Gangs are being deported, if they are here illegally. US citizens are not being deported.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Gangs are being deported Lots of evidence showing the hard police work of pursuing gangs is being substituted for the easier task of deporting tax-paying migrants. I don’t have any particular issue with the latter. But it’s incorrect to claim this administration is pursuing gangs; its deals with Bukele have essentially freed multiple members of MS13’s leadership.
        ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
        Unfortunately, that is not correct: > Three young children who are US citizens - including one with cancer - were deported to Honduras alongside their mothers last week, according to advocacy groups and the families' lawyers. > One of the children is a four-year-old with Stage 4 cancer who was sent without medication, a lawyer for the child's family said. [0] 0: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo
    - burnt-resistor 1y ago
- Kim_Bruning 1y ago
  Actually, that's NOT the deal in most Western democracies. In countries with free speech protections, writing an op-ed as a legal resident is following the rules, not breaking them. Yes, even Western democracies sometimes fail at this - through mistakes, bad laws, or moments of fear. That's precisely why we need to call it out when it happens, not shrug and normalize it. Rights are inherent to all people. When any government - Western or otherwise - punishes peaceful political expression, they're violating fundamental human rights. 'That's just how it is' is how rights erode. We should aspire to strengthen protections for everyone, not excuse their violation by pointing to other failures.

What about deporting a student who is in the country legally as punishment writing an op-ed you don't like?

mensetmanusman 1y ago

America argues it is their right to assemble who they want in their borders.

nullstyle 1y ago
Not America. The current administration and a select set of piss poor citizens

Slamidan 1y ago

as a guest that's the deal in most countries.

Tryk 1y ago
What makes you say that?
breakyerself 1y ago
Do you like freedom or not?
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> that's the deal in most countries Most countries aren’t America.
- buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
  So.. America can't protect American interests when deciding who should be in the country? If I went to Mexico and started protesting I would fully expect Mexico to send me home. And I'd support their right to do so.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > America can't protect American interests when deciding who should be in the country? America shouldn’t be sending masked goons into courthouses to disappear people. I was actually supportive of Trump’s illegal immigrant pitch at the get go. But then he totally ignored the gangs, going after tax-paying migrants because Miller found them easier to round up. And then he started deporting Americans. This isn’t even a problem of evil. It’s one of incompetence. We have a bunch of nutwads in masks wearing camo doing whatever they can to hit numbers. This is bureaucratic failure on steroids. > I'd support their right to do so Honestly, I’m fine with this. I am also fine with someone publishing this app. (We frankly need a database of ICE agents who have broken the law so they can be dealt with down the road.)
    - discgolf3 1y ago
      Gangs are being deported, if they are here illegally. US citizens are not being deported.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Gangs are being deported Lots of evidence showing the hard police work of pursuing gangs is being substituted for the easier task of deporting tax-paying migrants. I don’t have any particular issue with the latter. But it’s incorrect to claim this administration is pursuing gangs; its deals with Bukele have essentially freed multiple members of MS13’s leadership.
      - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
        Unfortunately, that is not correct: > Three young children who are US citizens - including one with cancer - were deported to Honduras alongside their mothers last week, according to advocacy groups and the families' lawyers. > One of the children is a four-year-old with Stage 4 cancer who was sent without medication, a lawyer for the child's family said. [0] 0: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g8yj2n33yo
  - burnt-resistor 1y ago
Kim_Bruning 1y ago
Actually, that's NOT the deal in most Western democracies. In countries with free speech protections, writing an op-ed as a legal resident is following the rules, not breaking them. Yes, even Western democracies sometimes fail at this - through mistakes, bad laws, or moments of fear. That's precisely why we need to call it out when it happens, not shrug and normalize it. Rights are inherent to all people. When any government - Western or otherwise - punishes peaceful political expression, they're violating fundamental human rights. 'That's just how it is' is how rights erode. We should aspire to strengthen protections for everyone, not excuse their violation by pointing to other failures.