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I don't believe either of those examples are appropriate. The U.S military is never going to withdraw from the U.S due to the public growing weary of the war. T

I don't believe either of those examples are appropriate. The U.S military is never going to withdraw from the U.S due to the public growing weary of the war. The opposite would happen. The insurgency would surrender. Also in the case of Vietnam, it's worth noting that the Viet Cong for all intents and purposes lost the insurgency. The war was won by the conventional forces of North Vietnam after the U.S ceased military aid to the south. I also missed the most important point. Neither country had a 2nd amendment and both insurgencies imported arms illegally. And actual military hardware at that, not revolvers and sporting shotguns.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> U.S military is never going to withdraw from the U.S due to the public growing weary of the war But the military may turn on its commanders if forced into a guerilla war against Americans. The point is to draw out and make more difficult the oppression. There is a massive difference between pacifying a city with a couple of Marines and National Guardsmen and calling in air strikes on the homeland.
- rgblambda 1y ago
  >But the military may turn on its commanders if forced into a guerilla war against Americans. You mean a counter-terrorism operation against "Unpatriotic terrorists"? >The point is to draw out and make more difficult the oppression You can achieve that more effectively with a general strike, without alienating those who aren't willing to fire on their own countries military. Legally purchasable firearms would be more of a nuisance than a threat for a modern army.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > a counter-terrorism operation against "Unpatriotic terrorists"? Yes. The traditional framing is riot or rebellion suppression. > can achieve that more effectively with a general strike This is civil action. If protests and strikes work, the point is moot. Where weapons and training have historically made a difference is when the army is sent in to quell a strike.
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  That was a different America. This America would rather alienate Canada and push for them to be the 51st state than keep their friendship. This America is fine with the things in the linked article, torturing people legally in this country, solely because it makes removing illegals from the country a little easier. American's are buying merch for alligator Auschwitz.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > That was a different America To be clear, I believe we need stronger gun-control laws in America. And I think the current crop of J6 militias are the most potent terrorist threat this country has faced since Al Qaeda. But the logic of the 2A in making a military coup more difficult is sound. Even if the rest of the argument is not.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> U.S military is never going to withdraw from the U.S due to the public growing weary of the war But the military may turn on its commanders if forced into a guerilla war against Americans. The point is to draw out and make more difficult the oppression. There is a massive difference between pacifying a city with a couple of Marines and National Guardsmen and calling in air strikes on the homeland.

rgblambda 1y ago
>But the military may turn on its commanders if forced into a guerilla war against Americans. You mean a counter-terrorism operation against "Unpatriotic terrorists"? >The point is to draw out and make more difficult the oppression You can achieve that more effectively with a general strike, without alienating those who aren't willing to fire on their own countries military. Legally purchasable firearms would be more of a nuisance than a threat for a modern army.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > a counter-terrorism operation against "Unpatriotic terrorists"? Yes. The traditional framing is riot or rebellion suppression. > can achieve that more effectively with a general strike This is civil action. If protests and strikes work, the point is moot. Where weapons and training have historically made a difference is when the army is sent in to quell a strike.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
That was a different America. This America would rather alienate Canada and push for them to be the 51st state than keep their friendship. This America is fine with the things in the linked article, torturing people legally in this country, solely because it makes removing illegals from the country a little easier. American's are buying merch for alligator Auschwitz.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > That was a different America To be clear, I believe we need stronger gun-control laws in America. And I think the current crop of J6 militias are the most potent terrorist threat this country has faced since Al Qaeda. But the logic of the 2A in making a military coup more difficult is sound. Even if the rest of the argument is not.