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> I have yet to see a compelling argument for passkeys that is strong enough to overpower it's negatives. > - I want to be able to share passwords for accounts

> I have yet to see a compelling argument for passkeys that is strong enough to overpower it's negatives. > - I want to be able to share passwords for accounts with my family (some, but not all of them) This, but for another reason. To all those "I can do this with Keepass/Bitwarden etc", how can you share your Netflix password with your parents 100 miles away to use it in their smart TV? You cannot and will never be able to do it. Yes, passkeys improve security in some contexts but also tighten the grip of service providers.

Freak_NL 1y ago
Since sharing Netflix passwords is a breach of their terms of use, that's not really a compelling argument. I doubt streaming services are looking to make passkeys the only way to authenticate devices though. Too much competition, and too many valid use cases for use outside of a personal device.
- darkwater 1y ago
  > Since sharing Netflix passwords is a breach of their terms of use, that's not really a compelling argument. Since when "you are not supposed to do it" works? :) Most videogames cannot be freely copied or modified/tampered with, according to their ToS; still, companies implement draconian DRMs/anticheat to block people from doing it anyway. This is the same situation.
- porridgeraisin 1y ago
  > breach of their terms of use I mean, it was an example. Replace it with an amazon account and the argument remains the same.
- jjani 1y ago
  > Since sharing Netflix passwords is a breach of their terms of use, that's not really a compelling argument. Like the millions of "terms of use" breached by the exact trillion dollar companies pushing for passkeys (Google, Microsoft) while training their AI models? Sounds like terms of use are entirely irrelevant in the first place.
  - littlecranky67 1y ago
    Terms of use != laws. ToS are very often overruled by laws in lot of jurisdictions. Saying anything that violates ToS should not exist as a free/public standard, is corporate speak, and not in the interest of the consumer.
    - wkat4242 1y ago
      See what happens if I get caught downloading movies. Then see what happens if meta downloads an entire library and trains their AI with it.
      - littlecranky67 1y ago
        Not sure if anything different happens. If you get caught, you probably get fined - that is true for Meta and for you. Not sure what jurisdiction you are in that would get you into prison. Meta just figured the fine is worth the leap ahead in AI training, and I kind of agree.
tzs 1y ago
> To all those "I can do this with Keepass/Bitwarden etc", how can you share your Netflix password with your parents 100 miles away to use it in their smart TV? You cannot and will never be able to do it. I'm not sure that's a good example. I thought you currently only need to share your password if you want to let them use your Netflix account on their computer/phone/tablet. If you are just trying to set them up on their smart TV wouldn't you simply have them install the Netflix app on their smart TV, launch it, hit sign in, and then tell you the 8 digit confirmation code from the app, and then you would go to netflix.com/tv2 on your computer/phone/tablet, enter that code, and use your credentials to confirm? So let's change it to you want to let your parents use your Netflix on their computer/phone/tablet. Netflix doesn't currently support passkeys, but we will assume they will at some point. What you would do is something like this. 1. Tell them your Netflix account name. 2. Have them go through Netflix's procedure for logging in on a device that does not have a passkey when you have no other devices available that do have a Netflix passkey for your account. They are almost certain to have some way to do this. 3. Once they are logged in they can add a Netflix passkey to that device.

Freak_NL 1y ago

Since sharing Netflix passwords is a breach of their terms of use, that's not really a compelling argument. I doubt streaming services are looking to make passkeys the only way to authenticate devices though. Too much competition, and too many valid use cases for use outside of a personal device.

darkwater 1y ago
> Since sharing Netflix passwords is a breach of their terms of use, that's not really a compelling argument. Since when "you are not supposed to do it" works? :) Most videogames cannot be freely copied or modified/tampered with, according to their ToS; still, companies implement draconian DRMs/anticheat to block people from doing it anyway. This is the same situation.
porridgeraisin 1y ago
> breach of their terms of use I mean, it was an example. Replace it with an amazon account and the argument remains the same.
jjani 1y ago
> Since sharing Netflix passwords is a breach of their terms of use, that's not really a compelling argument. Like the millions of "terms of use" breached by the exact trillion dollar companies pushing for passkeys (Google, Microsoft) while training their AI models? Sounds like terms of use are entirely irrelevant in the first place.
- littlecranky67 1y ago
  Terms of use != laws. ToS are very often overruled by laws in lot of jurisdictions. Saying anything that violates ToS should not exist as a free/public standard, is corporate speak, and not in the interest of the consumer.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    See what happens if I get caught downloading movies. Then see what happens if meta downloads an entire library and trains their AI with it.
    - littlecranky67 1y ago
      Not sure if anything different happens. If you get caught, you probably get fined - that is true for Meta and for you. Not sure what jurisdiction you are in that would get you into prison. Meta just figured the fine is worth the leap ahead in AI training, and I kind of agree.

tzs 1y ago

> To all those "I can do this with Keepass/Bitwarden etc", how can you share your Netflix password with your parents 100 miles away to use it in their smart TV? You cannot and will never be able to do it. I'm not sure that's a good example. I thought you currently only need to share your password if you want to let them use your Netflix account on their computer/phone/tablet. If you are just trying to set them up on their smart TV wouldn't you simply have them install the Netflix app on their smart TV, launch it, hit sign in, and then tell you the 8 digit confirmation code from the app, and then you would go to netflix.com/tv2 on your computer/phone/tablet, enter that code, and use your credentials to confirm? So let's change it to you want to let your parents use your Netflix on their computer/phone/tablet. Netflix doesn't currently support passkeys, but we will assume they will at some point. What you would do is something like this. 1. Tell them your Netflix account name. 2. Have them go through Netflix's procedure for logging in on a device that does not have a passkey when you have no other devices available that do have a Netflix passkey for your account. They are almost certain to have some way to do this. 3. Once they are logged in they can add a Netflix passkey to that device.