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Look a lot of this passes the sniff test but anything Younger Dryas related I have to assume based on past performance is all buillshit designed to prop up reli

Look a lot of this passes the sniff test but anything Younger Dryas related I have to assume based on past performance is all buillshit designed to prop up religious fundamentalists and bodgy history.

esseph 1y ago
??? There's no link to anything religion wise with the Younger Dryas AFAIK. My only experience studying it has come from the geological / astrophysics sides though.
- adastra22 1y ago
  It has apparently been taken up as a cause by creationists.
  - K0balt 1y ago
    Yeah. It’s conflation of coincidence (as in coincide) with causality, as usual. That there was a widespread major flooding event doesn’t support the existence of a God, though (unsurprisingly) most human cultures have a distant memory of such an event. It’s a similar assertion to saying that the existence of humanity is proof of a creator.
- protocolture 1y ago
  Comet Research Group is funded by fundies. They sort of angle towards science when making claims, but those claims are sort of designed to support a scientific creationism angle if they ever get upheld.
andrewflnr 1y ago
I don't know about the sniff test. The paper here does a little bit of the amateur scientist thing where they belabor details that real experts tend to take for granted. That doesn't make it wrong, but it increases the skepticism warranted. I do agree the religious link is weird. The mere presence of a 12800 year timeline contradicts YEC. Then again, that kind of logic doesn't always stop pseudoscience people, especially the more conspiracy-flavored ones.
- salynchnew 1y ago
  Also, the narrative of the paper references the lead author's dad telling him a story as a child based on not-uncommon geological features, alone. Either this is some amazing coincidence or self-confirmation bias on the part of the authors.
  - protocolture 1y ago
    I would have liked to see 10 digs in a similar geological region thats not being claimed to have been airbursted as a control.
    - andrewflnr 1y ago
      Not sure that's necessary. Shocked quartz is distinctive, and strongly diagnostic of either cosmic impact or nuclear detonation; I think you can safely think of this as the required control digs having been done decades ago. It's either there or not. If it's there, that place had an impact. We just need some unbiased people to go check the physical facts.
- protocolture 1y ago
  >The mere presence of a 12800 year timeline contradicts YEC There are other creationists working on the timescale issue, attacking dating methods etc. TBH if someone provided evidence of a flood, they would probably just publish bs suggesting the timescale is wrong and push out a bunch of YEC textbooks stating it as evidence of the biblical flood.
cheaprentalyeti 1y ago
So you're going to ignore the possibility of events that happened thousands of years before the young earth creationists say the Earth was even formed because of a possibility of association with young earth creationists?
- protocolture 1y ago
  I am going to be even more skeptical in places where people being intentionally misleading often post their falsehoods yes.

esseph 1y ago

??? There's no link to anything religion wise with the Younger Dryas AFAIK. My only experience studying it has come from the geological / astrophysics sides though.

adastra22 1y ago
It has apparently been taken up as a cause by creationists.
- K0balt 1y ago
  Yeah. It’s conflation of coincidence (as in coincide) with causality, as usual. That there was a widespread major flooding event doesn’t support the existence of a God, though (unsurprisingly) most human cultures have a distant memory of such an event. It’s a similar assertion to saying that the existence of humanity is proof of a creator.
protocolture 1y ago
Comet Research Group is funded by fundies. They sort of angle towards science when making claims, but those claims are sort of designed to support a scientific creationism angle if they ever get upheld.

andrewflnr 1y ago

I don't know about the sniff test. The paper here does a little bit of the amateur scientist thing where they belabor details that real experts tend to take for granted. That doesn't make it wrong, but it increases the skepticism warranted. I do agree the religious link is weird. The mere presence of a 12800 year timeline contradicts YEC. Then again, that kind of logic doesn't always stop pseudoscience people, especially the more conspiracy-flavored ones.

salynchnew 1y ago
Also, the narrative of the paper references the lead author's dad telling him a story as a child based on not-uncommon geological features, alone. Either this is some amazing coincidence or self-confirmation bias on the part of the authors.
- protocolture 1y ago
  I would have liked to see 10 digs in a similar geological region thats not being claimed to have been airbursted as a control.
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    Not sure that's necessary. Shocked quartz is distinctive, and strongly diagnostic of either cosmic impact or nuclear detonation; I think you can safely think of this as the required control digs having been done decades ago. It's either there or not. If it's there, that place had an impact. We just need some unbiased people to go check the physical facts.
protocolture 1y ago
>The mere presence of a 12800 year timeline contradicts YEC There are other creationists working on the timescale issue, attacking dating methods etc. TBH if someone provided evidence of a flood, they would probably just publish bs suggesting the timescale is wrong and push out a bunch of YEC textbooks stating it as evidence of the biblical flood.

cheaprentalyeti 1y ago

So you're going to ignore the possibility of events that happened thousands of years before the young earth creationists say the Earth was even formed because of a possibility of association with young earth creationists?

protocolture 1y ago
I am going to be even more skeptical in places where people being intentionally misleading often post their falsehoods yes.