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Yeah, this looks like a cargo culting. Don't need work, need the guy to belong only to them...

by avmich 1y ago

cududa 1y ago
It’s called team building. You can believe in it or not. You can join a company that values that, or not.
- the_real_cher 1y ago
  Where is the line between team and cult? Cults are a subset of teams.
  - drewcoo 1y ago
    > Where is the line between team and cult? Typically employers pay you and cults don't.
    - the_real_cher 1y ago
      Cults can provide food, housing, and pay.(scientology employs alot of its members)
  - skeeter2020 1y ago
    Why do you need to draw a line? Can there be good cults and bad teams? Both have implicit contracts, and a contract requires consideration on both sides. The parties define the value of the consideration, so you can have a junior cult member who feels they are getting good value for what they pay, or a SW dev at an insurance company who feels they don't. I also don't see much difference in your ability to affect your situation if you are unhappy with the current state.
    - the_real_cher 1y ago
      The whole idea of a cult is negative. Its like saying why cant there be good shark attacks on surfers. Defining traits of cults are that they try to brainwash you, destroy your identity and replace it with one the cult approves of. This can happen to various degrees of severity.
gk1 1y ago
People who practice overemployment delude themselves that multiple jobs doesn’t affect their performance and therefore there’s nothing wrong with working multiple jobs. Their subreddit is a dumbfounding echo chamber. I had an “over-employed” person on my team (who lied about it) and I can confirm what all others are saying about this guy: they start going AWOL, miss important discussions, miss deadlines, blame their colleagues (creating toxic culture), start doing shoddy work because they’re not thinking deeply through problems and also to keep expectations low, create busywork for others to take the pressure off themselves, use company resources and accounts for other projects (creating security issues, among others)… just to name a few reasons. It’s not about possessiveness. Many co’s are glad to hire contractors, who don’t “belong” to them.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > People who practice overemployment delude themselves that multiple jobs doesn’t affect their performance and therefore there’s nothing wrong with working multiple jobs. Their subreddit is a dumbfounding echo chamber. It blows my mind that overemployed people have become folk heroes. They're obviously not putting full effort into two jobs. I had the same experience as you with an "overemployed" person: Working with them is really bad for everyone else. They lie, play extreme politics, throw teammates under the bus, make you work harder for everything, and they don't care if it causes you harm because you're just a temporary coworker at one of their "Js" There's nothing to celebrate about these people. They screw over their teammates far more than the company they work for.
  - throwawaysleep 1y ago
    Most people are not putting full effort into their jobs, which is why we are considered heros. So you could fight us, but plenty just join us in playing games, lowering expectations, and collecting their check and going home. We are awful colleagues if you have ambition, but if you do not, we get along fine with people.
  - ponector 1y ago
    > It blows my mind that overemployed people have become folk heroes. They're obviously not putting full effort into two jobs What blows my mind is people think overemployment of an engineer is bad, but it is more than acceptable for CEO to held top positions in different companies.
astura 1y ago
I worked with a guy who wasn't even "over employed" but was working on some big side project at home. He would blow off any meeting before noon. Just wouldn't show up. His work was usually late and rushed/poor quality. Lots of corners cut. Oftentimes he didn't even get something right the first time because he didn't have the full context because he missed discussion that happened in the meetings he didn't show up to. He was full of shit. Every day he was having some personal tragedy. Excuse after excuse. He started trouble with teammates in a way I've just never seen before. He was just all around a net negative even though he occasionally did decent work. Everyone was happy to see him go.

Yeah, this looks like a cargo culting. Don't need work, need the guy to belong only to them...

by avmich 1y ago

Yeah, this looks like a cargo culting. Don't need work, need the guy to belong only to them...

cududa 1y ago

It’s called team building. You can believe in it or not. You can join a company that values that, or not.

the_real_cher 1y ago
Where is the line between team and cult? Cults are a subset of teams.
- drewcoo 1y ago
  > Where is the line between team and cult? Typically employers pay you and cults don't.
  - the_real_cher 1y ago
    Cults can provide food, housing, and pay.(scientology employs alot of its members)
- skeeter2020 1y ago
  Why do you need to draw a line? Can there be good cults and bad teams? Both have implicit contracts, and a contract requires consideration on both sides. The parties define the value of the consideration, so you can have a junior cult member who feels they are getting good value for what they pay, or a SW dev at an insurance company who feels they don't. I also don't see much difference in your ability to affect your situation if you are unhappy with the current state.
  - the_real_cher 1y ago
    The whole idea of a cult is negative. Its like saying why cant there be good shark attacks on surfers. Defining traits of cults are that they try to brainwash you, destroy your identity and replace it with one the cult approves of. This can happen to various degrees of severity.

gk1 1y ago

People who practice overemployment delude themselves that multiple jobs doesn’t affect their performance and therefore there’s nothing wrong with working multiple jobs. Their subreddit is a dumbfounding echo chamber. I had an “over-employed” person on my team (who lied about it) and I can confirm what all others are saying about this guy: they start going AWOL, miss important discussions, miss deadlines, blame their colleagues (creating toxic culture), start doing shoddy work because they’re not thinking deeply through problems and also to keep expectations low, create busywork for others to take the pressure off themselves, use company resources and accounts for other projects (creating security issues, among others)… just to name a few reasons. It’s not about possessiveness. Many co’s are glad to hire contractors, who don’t “belong” to them.

Aurornis 1y ago
> People who practice overemployment delude themselves that multiple jobs doesn’t affect their performance and therefore there’s nothing wrong with working multiple jobs. Their subreddit is a dumbfounding echo chamber. It blows my mind that overemployed people have become folk heroes. They're obviously not putting full effort into two jobs. I had the same experience as you with an "overemployed" person: Working with them is really bad for everyone else. They lie, play extreme politics, throw teammates under the bus, make you work harder for everything, and they don't care if it causes you harm because you're just a temporary coworker at one of their "Js" There's nothing to celebrate about these people. They screw over their teammates far more than the company they work for.
- throwawaysleep 1y ago
  Most people are not putting full effort into their jobs, which is why we are considered heros. So you could fight us, but plenty just join us in playing games, lowering expectations, and collecting their check and going home. We are awful colleagues if you have ambition, but if you do not, we get along fine with people.
- ponector 1y ago
  > It blows my mind that overemployed people have become folk heroes. They're obviously not putting full effort into two jobs What blows my mind is people think overemployment of an engineer is bad, but it is more than acceptable for CEO to held top positions in different companies.

astura 1y ago

I worked with a guy who wasn't even "over employed" but was working on some big side project at home. He would blow off any meeting before noon. Just wouldn't show up. His work was usually late and rushed/poor quality. Lots of corners cut. Oftentimes he didn't even get something right the first time because he didn't have the full context because he missed discussion that happened in the meetings he didn't show up to. He was full of shit. Every day he was having some personal tragedy. Excuse after excuse. He started trouble with teammates in a way I've just never seen before. He was just all around a net negative even though he occasionally did decent work. Everyone was happy to see him go.