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My wife was just naturalized as a US Citizen a year ago. You can bet she doesn't want to be anywhere near that mess. Her legal status provides her basically no

My wife was just naturalized as a US Citizen a year ago. You can bet she doesn't want to be anywhere near that mess. Her legal status provides her basically no protection from any ICE rookie with a chip on his shoulder.

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esseph 1y ago
For those of you not paying attention, just posting a response like this can make you and your family a target. This is not the US I knew.
- anonfordays 1y ago
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      - margalabargala 1y ago
        Don't confuse my declining to enable your laziness with evidence you are correct.
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    - account42 1y ago
      This is not a valid argument because there is no way to disprove it. If you was so easy to find an example that actually holds up under scrutiny you would be able to present one yourself.
      - margalabargala 1y ago
        It wasn't an argument, just a response to someone saying something "sounds like" something.
        anonfordays 1y ago
        >It wasn't an argument Clearly. >just a response to someone saying something "sounds like" something. It was a response asking for sources, sources you still don't have. You're projecting about being triggered and still don't have sources to bring. Sad.
        margalabargala 1y ago
        Sounds like you and they are equally competent at finding sources. It's not hard if you try. I don't need to enable anyone's laziness.
        anonfordays 1y ago
        >Sounds like you and they are equally competent at finding sources. Sounds like you're failing at basic reading comprehension, which isn't surprising. I am not the one who made the claim, I do not have to supply sources. >It's not hard if you try. Trying doesn't make a difference: the sources don't exist. >I don't need to enable anyone's laziness. You have too much laziness of your own, I get it. You're also insanely triggered by my basic asks (since they are heretical apparently) which similarly doesn't surprise me. Any reply from you is an admission that you're triggered and don't have any sources.
        margalabargala 1y ago
  - esseph 1y ago
    US resumes visas for foreign students but demands access to social media accounts https://ground.news/article/us-visa-restrictions-on-ecowas-synonymous-with-non-tariff-barriers?utm_source=mobile-app&utm_medium=newsroom-shar https://ground.news/article/us-visa-restrictions-on-ecowas-s... Note: 565 linked sources in that You can easily tell when someone isn't asking something in Good Faith just by the first couple of search engine hits. Dead giveaway.
    - account42 1y ago
      This is not an example of the scenario esseph described. Foreign students are by definition not US citizens and thus don't have any inherent right to be in the country.
      - overfeed 1y ago
        Now Google for keywords Trump + denaturalization, filtering for results in the last 2 weeks. Or what he said about "deporting" citizens by birth since before then. Aside: limiting the conversation to things that have already happened is uninteresting to me; you skate where the puck is going. One can easily do this by applying the administrations internal logic, i.e. what they said/did in the past, and what the ultimate goal/result was, and mapping that to what they are doing now to extrapolate future outcomes.
        anonfordays 1y ago
        >Now Google for keywords Trump + denaturalization, filtering for results in the last 2 weeks Lots of links to fake news sites and Russian propaganda outlets. Not sources.
        defrost 1y ago
        The June 11 Justice Dept Memo on wedge applications for "5. Prioritizing Denaturalization" https://www.justice.gov/civil/media/1404046/dl https://www.justice.gov/civil/media/1404046/dl with some discussion at: DOJ Opens Door To Stripping Citizenship Over Politics - https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/doj-opens-door-to-stripping-citizenship-over-politics https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/doj-opens-door-to-strippi...
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anonfordays 1y ago
Her legal status is that she's a US citizen, she has the same "protection from any ICE rookie" as anyone else who is a US citizen naturalized or natural-born.
- velcrovan 1y ago
  Right — in the absence of due process, none.
  - anonfordays 1y ago
    Right — in the absence of due process, none, the same as it applies to anyone regardless of status.
    - velcrovan 1y ago
      Agreed!
- ocschwar 1y ago
  The president of the United States is literally fighting in court to get the authority to treat natural born newborns as aliens even though the plain letter of the United States Constitution says these babies are citizens. In an environment like that, legal status doesn't mean shit.
  - anonfordays 1y ago
    >even though the plain letter of the United States Constitution says these babies are citizens Their argument is that the "plain letter of the United States Constitution" doesn't say that explicitly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_th... Plenty of examples where birthright citizenship didn't apply in the past (and currently don't apply, such as American Samoa
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esseph 1y ago

For those of you not paying attention, just posting a response like this can make you and your family a target. This is not the US I knew.

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- margalabargala 1y ago
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    - margalabargala 1y ago
      Don't confuse my declining to enable your laziness with evidence you are correct.
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  - account42 1y ago
    This is not a valid argument because there is no way to disprove it. If you was so easy to find an example that actually holds up under scrutiny you would be able to present one yourself.
    - margalabargala 1y ago
      It wasn't an argument, just a response to someone saying something "sounds like" something.
      - anonfordays 1y ago
        >It wasn't an argument Clearly. >just a response to someone saying something "sounds like" something. It was a response asking for sources, sources you still don't have. You're projecting about being triggered and still don't have sources to bring. Sad.
        margalabargala 1y ago
        Sounds like you and they are equally competent at finding sources. It's not hard if you try. I don't need to enable anyone's laziness.
        anonfordays 1y ago
        >Sounds like you and they are equally competent at finding sources. Sounds like you're failing at basic reading comprehension, which isn't surprising. I am not the one who made the claim, I do not have to supply sources. >It's not hard if you try. Trying doesn't make a difference: the sources don't exist. >I don't need to enable anyone's laziness. You have too much laziness of your own, I get it. You're also insanely triggered by my basic asks (since they are heretical apparently) which similarly doesn't surprise me. Any reply from you is an admission that you're triggered and don't have any sources.
        margalabargala 1y ago
- esseph 1y ago
  US resumes visas for foreign students but demands access to social media accounts https://ground.news/article/us-visa-restrictions-on-ecowas-synonymous-with-non-tariff-barriers?utm_source=mobile-app&utm_medium=newsroom-shar https://ground.news/article/us-visa-restrictions-on-ecowas-s... Note: 565 linked sources in that You can easily tell when someone isn't asking something in Good Faith just by the first couple of search engine hits. Dead giveaway.
  - account42 1y ago
    This is not an example of the scenario esseph described. Foreign students are by definition not US citizens and thus don't have any inherent right to be in the country.
    - overfeed 1y ago
      Now Google for keywords Trump + denaturalization, filtering for results in the last 2 weeks. Or what he said about "deporting" citizens by birth since before then. Aside: limiting the conversation to things that have already happened is uninteresting to me; you skate where the puck is going. One can easily do this by applying the administrations internal logic, i.e. what they said/did in the past, and what the ultimate goal/result was, and mapping that to what they are doing now to extrapolate future outcomes.
      - anonfordays 1y ago
        >Now Google for keywords Trump + denaturalization, filtering for results in the last 2 weeks Lots of links to fake news sites and Russian propaganda outlets. Not sources.
        defrost 1y ago
        The June 11 Justice Dept Memo on wedge applications for "5. Prioritizing Denaturalization" https://www.justice.gov/civil/media/1404046/dl https://www.justice.gov/civil/media/1404046/dl with some discussion at: DOJ Opens Door To Stripping Citizenship Over Politics - https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/doj-opens-door-to-stripping-citizenship-over-politics https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/doj-opens-door-to-strippi...
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anonfordays 1y ago

Her legal status is that she's a US citizen, she has the same "protection from any ICE rookie" as anyone else who is a US citizen naturalized or natural-born.

velcrovan 1y ago
Right — in the absence of due process, none.
- anonfordays 1y ago
  Right — in the absence of due process, none, the same as it applies to anyone regardless of status.
  - velcrovan 1y ago
    Agreed!
ocschwar 1y ago
The president of the United States is literally fighting in court to get the authority to treat natural born newborns as aliens even though the plain letter of the United States Constitution says these babies are citizens. In an environment like that, legal status doesn't mean shit.
- anonfordays 1y ago
  >even though the plain letter of the United States Constitution says these babies are citizens Their argument is that the "plain letter of the United States Constitution" doesn't say that explicitly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_th... Plenty of examples where birthright citizenship didn't apply in the past (and currently don't apply, such as American Samoa
  - ocschwar 1y ago