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Something about this is very distressing to me. Millions of essentially rich middle upper class banding together effortlessly to petition the government to sav

Something about this is very distressing to me. Millions of essentially rich middle upper class banding together effortlessly to petition the government to save their entertainment. Meanwhile there are people spending their whole lives to get even a tiny sliver of support for things like human rights violations.

OsrsNeedsf2P 1y ago
Can we not do both?
taco_emoji 1y ago
So basically: until everything else is fixed, don't try to fix this?
_cenw 1y ago
Games aren't exactly restricted to "upper middle class", they're mainstream entertainment (just look at Brazilians complaining about regional pricing). And if you want to make caring about things (art in this case; incidentally also entertainment) a competition, I got some lobbyists up the EU's bottom you can get upset about first.
- Ekaros 1y ago
  Gaming really is global. Basically everywhere that can afford the devices which now include the "middle income" countries. So only ones really left out are really the poorest of the poor. If you can afford smartphone you can get on some gaming. Or even cheap computers including second hand ones.
maplant 1y ago
Well don't you worry citizenpaul, this legal issue has already been settled in the United States and no one has any recourse to save their entertainment at all.
graynk 1y ago
> effortlessly This is not the case > Meanwhile there are people spending their whole lives This is just relative privation fallacy speaking. You are welcome to try and create your own initiative and get popular streamers to talk about it. The fact that horrible things are happening in the world does not mean we shouldn't also care about other relatively bad things.
AlienRobot 1y ago
The world is a big place.
blamestross 1y ago
Its been one guy and a discord working nonstop for over a year. Not exactly the situation you imagine it. Its also been overwhelming ignored and not-viable in most countries. The US for example is a lost cause. If you think this is things working out well for middle class folks, then similar work for human rights violations are utterly doomed.
squigz 1y ago
This might surprise you, but we can actually do both of these things and more! (And it's not 1995; video games are not a "rich middle upper class" thing)
Findecanor 1y ago
1. In my view, video games that stop working are a part of a larger problem with consumer tech right now, and you've got to start somewhere. Gaming is a hobby for a lot of people now, and therefore the most visible example. 2. Games are artefacts of our modern culture, examples of artistic expression (more or less). I don't think that every game, every song and every movie is worth saving, but who am I to disparage what someone else likes.
DrSiemer 1y ago
A clear example of whataboutism. It's not like we are donating anything besides a minute or two of our time... It's just a signature. If that was all that was needed to force law makers to fix human rights violations, I'll sign that as well, but most of those problems are not as easy to fix.

OsrsNeedsf2P 1y ago

Can we not do both?

taco_emoji 1y ago

So basically: until everything else is fixed, don't try to fix this?

_cenw 1y ago

Games aren't exactly restricted to "upper middle class", they're mainstream entertainment (just look at Brazilians complaining about regional pricing). And if you want to make caring about things (art in this case; incidentally also entertainment) a competition, I got some lobbyists up the EU's bottom you can get upset about first.

Ekaros 1y ago
Gaming really is global. Basically everywhere that can afford the devices which now include the "middle income" countries. So only ones really left out are really the poorest of the poor. If you can afford smartphone you can get on some gaming. Or even cheap computers including second hand ones.

maplant 1y ago

Well don't you worry citizenpaul, this legal issue has already been settled in the United States and no one has any recourse to save their entertainment at all.

graynk 1y ago

> effortlessly This is not the case > Meanwhile there are people spending their whole lives This is just relative privation fallacy speaking. You are welcome to try and create your own initiative and get popular streamers to talk about it. The fact that horrible things are happening in the world does not mean we shouldn't also care about other relatively bad things.

AlienRobot 1y ago

The world is a big place.

blamestross 1y ago

Its been one guy and a discord working nonstop for over a year. Not exactly the situation you imagine it. Its also been overwhelming ignored and not-viable in most countries. The US for example is a lost cause. If you think this is things working out well for middle class folks, then similar work for human rights violations are utterly doomed.

squigz 1y ago

This might surprise you, but we can actually do both of these things and more! (And it's not 1995; video games are not a "rich middle upper class" thing)

Findecanor 1y ago

1. In my view, video games that stop working are a part of a larger problem with consumer tech right now, and you've got to start somewhere. Gaming is a hobby for a lot of people now, and therefore the most visible example. 2. Games are artefacts of our modern culture, examples of artistic expression (more or less). I don't think that every game, every song and every movie is worth saving, but who am I to disparage what someone else likes.

DrSiemer 1y ago

A clear example of whataboutism. It's not like we are donating anything besides a minute or two of our time... It's just a signature. If that was all that was needed to force law makers to fix human rights violations, I'll sign that as well, but most of those problems are not as easy to fix.