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I think it’s important to take a second and reflect that in 2025 America we need an app like this at all.

by csto12 1y ago

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
if this app is the "hmm" moment for anybody, god help us.
pyuser583 1y ago
Growing up reading cyberpunk, this is both expected and welcome.
herbst 1y ago
Whenever I hear anything about the US in the last months it sounds like from a bad movie.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  Trump always wanted to be in show business, not real estate. Now he runs the government like he's playing the role of Mafia boss on The Apprentice.
philipallstar 1y ago
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- unethical_ban 1y ago
  This is not a dichotomy. Border and deportation reform can coincide with accepting the practical reality of undocumented residents currently in the US. Republicans allowed this willingly, too. Ripping apart millions of families and snatching peaceful residents off the streets, out of churches, off of farms and out of courtrooms with masked agents is not the only way. Separately: Birthright citizenship is a fair topic to debate. What is not normal is pretending it isn't one of the most plain and direct clauses in the Constitution. There are other paths.
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    > is not the only way > There are other paths. But there aren't if no one walks them. How did Trump manage to almost instantly shut down the 10k (or whatever it is) a day crossings the previous administration said was impossible to stop? Because if you're the party of illegal immigration and you oppose voter ID (because your core voters have such low expectations of African Amerticans that you can claim it's about them not being able to get an ID) then you can import voters. And then you can indeed also claim "well they're here now; nothing can be done", and indeed do nothing. But that is also not the only path. No path is the only path, so using that criticism selectively is deliberately misleading.
- babelfish 1y ago
  Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
  - philipallstar 1y ago
    Yes, indeed. When the wild west was a meat grinder bodies were needed. And no one was paid benefits from other peoples' taxes, so it was real freedom (and responsibility), as adding people didn't add cost. Both of those things have radically changed.
- triceratops 1y ago
  > In basically no other country... do you have the birthright citizenship I see plenty of countries on here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#/media/File:Jus_soli_world.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#/media/File:Jus_soli_... what're you talking about?
pooty 1y ago
You don't need the app. Ice are the good guys The left think evil is good and good if evil nowadays
helixten 1y ago
This is very American, The Green Book guided Black travelers to safe businesses during Jim Crow. The Underground Railroad was literally an information network to help enslaved people reach freedom. During WWII, communities helped hide Japanese Americans from internment. LGBTQ+ people created networks to find safe spaces during decades of criminalization. Native communities have long shared information about safe passage and resources.
- newAccount2025 1y ago
  Perfectly put. American as in the historic reality. Unamerican as in the marketing ideal.
- HaZeust 1y ago
  Well said. A few days ago I made a response to a comment in a thread, where I laid out a list of some aspects of American Culture [1]. And, 2 of the BIG ones in the Beliefs category were, "fundamental distrust in government and a shared collective identity in those against it, free-speech absolutism" 1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=HaZeust#44411990 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=HaZeust#44411990
  - immibis 1y ago
    Except they don't believe in free-speech absolutism. They say they do, but they obviously don't, because every time one of them gets in control of speech, they make it substantially less free.
    - HaZeust 1y ago
      They don't believe in fundamental distrust of government either, they're a little more forgiving of interpretation and purpose of policy when they're in charge - nonetheless, these virtues are in the American zeitgeist for better or for worse.
- hydrogen7800 1y ago
  Reminders like these are strangely comforting to me. It tells me we've been through this and worse, and have come out intact or even better afterward.
unixhero 1y ago
I was going to write expletives. But lets rather reflect. When is this ICE stuff going to end?
- grumpymuppet 1y ago
  Well, they just got like $170 Billion budget passed, so they've got plenty of money to stay busy for a while.
  - HaZeust 1y ago
    3x more than the Marine Corps, for those at home keeping score. A military branch (either de facto or de jure) that exists for the majority purpose to directly target, round up, and imprison or deport individuals on U.S. soil - especially with a proven record of limiting due process - should have NEVER happened. I cannot stress enough, we're a few bad days - and more and more likely 1 executive action away - from at-scale "Tree of Liberty" stuff.
    - deleted 1y ago
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  - burnt-resistor 1y ago
    Over what timeframe and earmarked for what? Let's figure out accurately what scale and scope of damage and harassment is coming. See also: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-budget-big-beautiful-bill/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-budget-big-beautiful-b...
- account42 1y ago
  When there aren't enough illegal aliens left to warrant it. If you think those people have a right to be there then campaign for that but meanwhile the government should not just give up the rule of law.
  - paulryanrogers 1y ago
    > ...but meanwhile the government should not just give up the rule of law. Isn't due process a rule of law? How about laws against bribery?
account42 1y ago
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- jedimastert 1y ago
  There was an 18 year old legal resident in my city that was forcibly pulled out of his house by ICE, was ignored when he showed his papers, and was shipped from Kentucky to Louisiana where they tried to "deport" him for literally no reason. After a bunch of unnecessary judicial stalling, they just kicked him out on to the street 600 miles from home and he would have essentially been homeless if the community hadn't rallied around him. It's not a unique story.
- bix6 1y ago
  How is this still your stance after everything that’s happened?
- deleted 1y ago
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refurb 1y ago
I mean you could definitely argue that from the other side as well. “We should note that in 2025 we need an app to help people breaking the law avoid law enforcement”

I think it’s important to take a second and reflect that in 2025 America we need an app like this at all.

by csto12 1y ago

I think it’s important to take a second and reflect that in 2025 America we need an app like this at all.

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago

if this app is the "hmm" moment for anybody, god help us.

pyuser583 1y ago

Growing up reading cyberpunk, this is both expected and welcome.

herbst 1y ago

Whenever I hear anything about the US in the last months it sounds like from a bad movie.

paulryanrogers 1y ago
Trump always wanted to be in show business, not real estate. Now he runs the government like he's playing the role of Mafia boss on The Apprentice.

philipallstar 1y ago

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unethical_ban 1y ago
This is not a dichotomy. Border and deportation reform can coincide with accepting the practical reality of undocumented residents currently in the US. Republicans allowed this willingly, too. Ripping apart millions of families and snatching peaceful residents off the streets, out of churches, off of farms and out of courtrooms with masked agents is not the only way. Separately: Birthright citizenship is a fair topic to debate. What is not normal is pretending it isn't one of the most plain and direct clauses in the Constitution. There are other paths.
- philipallstar 1y ago
  > is not the only way > There are other paths. But there aren't if no one walks them. How did Trump manage to almost instantly shut down the 10k (or whatever it is) a day crossings the previous administration said was impossible to stop? Because if you're the party of illegal immigration and you oppose voter ID (because your core voters have such low expectations of African Amerticans that you can claim it's about them not being able to get an ID) then you can import voters. And then you can indeed also claim "well they're here now; nothing can be done", and indeed do nothing. But that is also not the only path. No path is the only path, so using that criticism selectively is deliberately misleading.
babelfish 1y ago
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
- philipallstar 1y ago
  Yes, indeed. When the wild west was a meat grinder bodies were needed. And no one was paid benefits from other peoples' taxes, so it was real freedom (and responsibility), as adding people didn't add cost. Both of those things have radically changed.
triceratops 1y ago
> In basically no other country... do you have the birthright citizenship I see plenty of countries on here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#/media/File:Jus_soli_world.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#/media/File:Jus_soli_... what're you talking about?

pooty 1y ago

You don't need the app. Ice are the good guys The left think evil is good and good if evil nowadays

helixten 1y ago

This is very American, The Green Book guided Black travelers to safe businesses during Jim Crow. The Underground Railroad was literally an information network to help enslaved people reach freedom. During WWII, communities helped hide Japanese Americans from internment. LGBTQ+ people created networks to find safe spaces during decades of criminalization. Native communities have long shared information about safe passage and resources.

newAccount2025 1y ago
Perfectly put. American as in the historic reality. Unamerican as in the marketing ideal.
HaZeust 1y ago
Well said. A few days ago I made a response to a comment in a thread, where I laid out a list of some aspects of American Culture [1]. And, 2 of the BIG ones in the Beliefs category were, "fundamental distrust in government and a shared collective identity in those against it, free-speech absolutism" 1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=HaZeust#44411990 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=HaZeust#44411990
- immibis 1y ago
  Except they don't believe in free-speech absolutism. They say they do, but they obviously don't, because every time one of them gets in control of speech, they make it substantially less free.
  - HaZeust 1y ago
    They don't believe in fundamental distrust of government either, they're a little more forgiving of interpretation and purpose of policy when they're in charge - nonetheless, these virtues are in the American zeitgeist for better or for worse.
hydrogen7800 1y ago
Reminders like these are strangely comforting to me. It tells me we've been through this and worse, and have come out intact or even better afterward.

unixhero 1y ago

I was going to write expletives. But lets rather reflect. When is this ICE stuff going to end?

grumpymuppet 1y ago
Well, they just got like $170 Billion budget passed, so they've got plenty of money to stay busy for a while.
- HaZeust 1y ago
  3x more than the Marine Corps, for those at home keeping score. A military branch (either de facto or de jure) that exists for the majority purpose to directly target, round up, and imprison or deport individuals on U.S. soil - especially with a proven record of limiting due process - should have NEVER happened. I cannot stress enough, we're a few bad days - and more and more likely 1 executive action away - from at-scale "Tree of Liberty" stuff.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  Over what timeframe and earmarked for what? Let's figure out accurately what scale and scope of damage and harassment is coming. See also: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-budget-big-beautiful-bill/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-budget-big-beautiful-b...
account42 1y ago
When there aren't enough illegal aliens left to warrant it. If you think those people have a right to be there then campaign for that but meanwhile the government should not just give up the rule of law.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  > ...but meanwhile the government should not just give up the rule of law. Isn't due process a rule of law? How about laws against bribery?

account42 1y ago

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jedimastert 1y ago
There was an 18 year old legal resident in my city that was forcibly pulled out of his house by ICE, was ignored when he showed his papers, and was shipped from Kentucky to Louisiana where they tried to "deport" him for literally no reason. After a bunch of unnecessary judicial stalling, they just kicked him out on to the street 600 miles from home and he would have essentially been homeless if the community hadn't rallied around him. It's not a unique story.
bix6 1y ago
How is this still your stance after everything that’s happened?
deleted 1y ago
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refurb 1y ago

I mean you could definitely argue that from the other side as well. “We should note that in 2025 we need an app to help people breaking the law avoid law enforcement”