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Firefox is good these days! Mozilla (despite its issues) is nowhere near as evil as Google and a browser monopoly is good for nobody. Manifest v2 will stay su

Firefox is good these days! Mozilla (despite its issues) is nowhere near as evil as Google and a browser monopoly is good for nobody. Manifest v2 will stay supported on FF - uBlock will keep working properly. It's time to switch. If you would rather have a UI like Arc, give Zen a shot! (It's what I use!)

edhelas 1y ago
Long live the Red Panda <3
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BuckRogers 1y ago
I used Firefox for roughly 19 years at least or a bit more. I switched to Edge and have been very happy for years now. I didn't know they committed to supporting V2 but it does appear they intend to as long as it serves user choice and privacy needs. I left because they kept stripping features out that I was used to whether it was my RSS toolbar feeds or something else. I forgot which feature removal was the final straw, or if it was a bug or two that irked me. While I was never a Chrome user, I found Edge was an alternative that I was happy with. I also see a lot of benefit to native browsers. Ironically, that I learned about from Mozilla's own devblogs. Supporting V2 like this is the exact opposite of what drove me away. I'm cruising so happily on Edge that I'm unsure if I'm willing to do another shift, but I am going to reconsider my life choices.
- DyslexicAtheist 1y ago
  sounds great, how do I install Edge on Debian?
  - ossusermivami 1y ago
    you have a .deb there https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MM145U https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MM145U (i don't use it, just saying)
  - BuckRogers 1y ago
    I don't know what you mean by this. For one, I wasn't trying to sell it to you. I don't care what you use at all. Two, I'm using it on Debian.
- remram 1y ago
  As an outsider, it seems weird to me that you would go to Edge when you are unsatisfied by Mozilla's spotty long-term support. Edge exists because Microsoft dropped support for IE (and then for their own rendering engine altogether when they switched to Chromium). It seems to me that they have a strictly worse track record in the aspect you care about. Or maybe I am wrong about the facts? I never used Edge.
snapplebobapple 1y ago
stock firefox is decent but, depending on your goals, there are better flavors. If security is really important there is librewolf and if you care way less about security and just want awesome then floorp is pretty sweet. For me sidebery brings it all together because it lets you do things like set per container socks5, which is a game changer for me (default is all traffic through my favorite vpn provider, but I have containers to make my browser look like my local ip, American, etc.)
- gruez 1y ago
  >security is really important there is librewolf Does librewolf do anything that you can't do via user.js?
  - snapplebobapple 1y ago
    you would have to look at their website. I dont know
  - _lvbh 1y ago
    It just has good defaults. I don't have to spend time configuring everything. I'm sure you can get the same results elsewhere but why bother
1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
"Mozilla (despite its issues) is nowhere near as evil as Google and a browser monopoly is good for nobody." Truthfully, it is good for somebody. For example, it is good for Google. By extension, it is also good for Mozilla because Mozilla sends FF user data, e.g., default search query data, to Google in exchange for money. If Google's search business declines due to loss of monopoly (aka competition) and as a result Google decides to stop funding Mozilla, then that's bad for somebody. Perhaps the reader can figure out who that somebody might be. re: "nowhere near as evil" Why would I want to use the lesser of two evils when I can generally avoid popular modern browsers altogether. Zero evil.
- Steven420 1y ago
  > Why would I want to use the lesser of two evils when I can generally avoid popular modern browsers altogether. Zero evil. What browser are you using?
  - JohnTHaller 1y ago
    Most (but not all) folks with posts like this invariably use Chrome
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      How is that zero evil?
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uallo 1y ago
Fully agree. With Multi-Account Containers [1] and the recent addition of tab groups [2] / vertical tabs [3], Firefox got even better. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account... [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/tab-groups-community/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/tab-groups-community/ [3] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/vertical-tabs-and-the-firefox-community/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/vertical-tabs-and-the-fi...

edhelas 1y ago

Long live the Red Panda <3

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BuckRogers 1y ago

I used Firefox for roughly 19 years at least or a bit more. I switched to Edge and have been very happy for years now. I didn't know they committed to supporting V2 but it does appear they intend to as long as it serves user choice and privacy needs. I left because they kept stripping features out that I was used to whether it was my RSS toolbar feeds or something else. I forgot which feature removal was the final straw, or if it was a bug or two that irked me. While I was never a Chrome user, I found Edge was an alternative that I was happy with. I also see a lot of benefit to native browsers. Ironically, that I learned about from Mozilla's own devblogs. Supporting V2 like this is the exact opposite of what drove me away. I'm cruising so happily on Edge that I'm unsure if I'm willing to do another shift, but I am going to reconsider my life choices.

DyslexicAtheist 1y ago
sounds great, how do I install Edge on Debian?
- ossusermivami 1y ago
  you have a .deb there https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MM145U https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/download?form=MM145U (i don't use it, just saying)
- BuckRogers 1y ago
  I don't know what you mean by this. For one, I wasn't trying to sell it to you. I don't care what you use at all. Two, I'm using it on Debian.
remram 1y ago
As an outsider, it seems weird to me that you would go to Edge when you are unsatisfied by Mozilla's spotty long-term support. Edge exists because Microsoft dropped support for IE (and then for their own rendering engine altogether when they switched to Chromium). It seems to me that they have a strictly worse track record in the aspect you care about. Or maybe I am wrong about the facts? I never used Edge.

snapplebobapple 1y ago

stock firefox is decent but, depending on your goals, there are better flavors. If security is really important there is librewolf and if you care way less about security and just want awesome then floorp is pretty sweet. For me sidebery brings it all together because it lets you do things like set per container socks5, which is a game changer for me (default is all traffic through my favorite vpn provider, but I have containers to make my browser look like my local ip, American, etc.)

gruez 1y ago
>security is really important there is librewolf Does librewolf do anything that you can't do via user.js?
- snapplebobapple 1y ago
  you would have to look at their website. I dont know
- _lvbh 1y ago
  It just has good defaults. I don't have to spend time configuring everything. I'm sure you can get the same results elsewhere but why bother

1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago

"Mozilla (despite its issues) is nowhere near as evil as Google and a browser monopoly is good for nobody." Truthfully, it is good for somebody. For example, it is good for Google. By extension, it is also good for Mozilla because Mozilla sends FF user data, e.g., default search query data, to Google in exchange for money. If Google's search business declines due to loss of monopoly (aka competition) and as a result Google decides to stop funding Mozilla, then that's bad for somebody. Perhaps the reader can figure out who that somebody might be. re: "nowhere near as evil" Why would I want to use the lesser of two evils when I can generally avoid popular modern browsers altogether. Zero evil.

Steven420 1y ago
> Why would I want to use the lesser of two evils when I can generally avoid popular modern browsers altogether. Zero evil. What browser are you using?
- JohnTHaller 1y ago
  Most (but not all) folks with posts like this invariably use Chrome
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    How is that zero evil?
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uallo 1y ago

Fully agree. With Multi-Account Containers [1] and the recent addition of tab groups [2] / vertical tabs [3], Firefox got even better. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account... [2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/tab-groups-community/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/tab-groups-community/ [3] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/vertical-tabs-and-the-firefox-community/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/vertical-tabs-and-the-fi...