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> how much a multi-generation born-in-America person is actually obligated to cooperate with or answer to ICE? This is the wrong question. The right question i

> how much a multi-generation born-in-America person is actually obligated to cooperate with or answer to ICE? This is the wrong question. The right question is "who will hold them accountable if they violate your rights or try to punish you for lack of obedience?"

potato3732842 1y ago
>"who will hold them accountable Politicians looking to score brownie points with either the public or the state itself. So basically you're SOL if you're not a more equal animal or connected to them (Skip Gates), a public persona (Whistlin Diesel), attractive woman (Karen Read, though you can argue that nobody has held the cops accountable on this one, yet) or highly sympathetic individual. There is some argument to be made that the truth comes out eventually in these sorts of matters but that's not gonna make Breonna Taylor any less dead or the Phonesavanh's kid from being any less disabled. I think the Floyd factor also prevents cops who are alone or in a pair from escalating stuff unnecessarily as much as they used to which is where a lot of these abuses historically come from.
- danudey 1y ago
  Most elected politicians at this point are happy to repeat the same lies of "this person was arrested because they were being violent/interfering/were acting suspiciously/refused to identify themselves" even if there is multiple sources of video evidence to the contrary. Republicans in particular have no interest in the truth where it conflicts with the claims they want to make to advance their agenda, and most Democrats are too toothless to call out this misbehavior with the force and passion it deserves. And when they do call it out, people will be told by Fox News and others that "this senator is opposed to the work ICE is doing to solve the problem of illegal immigrants", and other news agencies will say "such-and-such official says this senator is opposed to..." and the propaganda will spread and people will believe it.
jahewson 1y ago
So there’s this thing called the judiciary…
- jkestner 1y ago
  Oh yeah, those guys who came up with qualified immunity.
- hayst4ck 1y ago
  OK, I don't disagree, but there is nothing that guarantees the judiciary will act constitutionally or protect people's rights, so "who will hold the judiciary accountable if they violate your rights, try to punish you for lack of obedience, or fail to hold those who violate peoples rights accountable?""
- shermantanktop 1y ago
  North Korea has a judiciary. So does Iran. So does China. They all have the rough equivalent of a Supreme Court too. A judiciary can only function as a check on other types of power when it is allowed to do so. Merely being called by that name is not enough.
- watwut 1y ago
  Pretty much all layers say judiciary is deferential to cops and prosecution to the point of absurdity.
- netsharc 1y ago
  In this thread: you slowly realizing that you live in an increasingly corrupt despotic police state... Sure you might be fine (they just harass the brown and black people), but it doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

potato3732842 1y ago

>"who will hold them accountable Politicians looking to score brownie points with either the public or the state itself. So basically you're SOL if you're not a more equal animal or connected to them (Skip Gates), a public persona (Whistlin Diesel), attractive woman (Karen Read, though you can argue that nobody has held the cops accountable on this one, yet) or highly sympathetic individual. There is some argument to be made that the truth comes out eventually in these sorts of matters but that's not gonna make Breonna Taylor any less dead or the Phonesavanh's kid from being any less disabled. I think the Floyd factor also prevents cops who are alone or in a pair from escalating stuff unnecessarily as much as they used to which is where a lot of these abuses historically come from.

danudey 1y ago
Most elected politicians at this point are happy to repeat the same lies of "this person was arrested because they were being violent/interfering/were acting suspiciously/refused to identify themselves" even if there is multiple sources of video evidence to the contrary. Republicans in particular have no interest in the truth where it conflicts with the claims they want to make to advance their agenda, and most Democrats are too toothless to call out this misbehavior with the force and passion it deserves. And when they do call it out, people will be told by Fox News and others that "this senator is opposed to the work ICE is doing to solve the problem of illegal immigrants", and other news agencies will say "such-and-such official says this senator is opposed to..." and the propaganda will spread and people will believe it.

jahewson 1y ago

So there’s this thing called the judiciary…

jkestner 1y ago
Oh yeah, those guys who came up with qualified immunity.
hayst4ck 1y ago
OK, I don't disagree, but there is nothing that guarantees the judiciary will act constitutionally or protect people's rights, so "who will hold the judiciary accountable if they violate your rights, try to punish you for lack of obedience, or fail to hold those who violate peoples rights accountable?""
shermantanktop 1y ago
North Korea has a judiciary. So does Iran. So does China. They all have the rough equivalent of a Supreme Court too. A judiciary can only function as a check on other types of power when it is allowed to do so. Merely being called by that name is not enough.
watwut 1y ago
Pretty much all layers say judiciary is deferential to cops and prosecution to the point of absurdity.
netsharc 1y ago
In this thread: you slowly realizing that you live in an increasingly corrupt despotic police state... Sure you might be fine (they just harass the brown and black people), but it doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.