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This pairs well with: 1 - Microsoft investing 3bn USD in India-based developers: https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-invest-3-bln-expand-azure-ai-capa

This pairs well with: 1 - Microsoft investing 3bn USD in India-based developers: https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-invest-3-bln-expand-azure-ai-capacity-india-2025-01-07/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-invest-3-bln-ex... 2 - Microsoft having 4700 H1B filings for fiscal 2025: https://www.myvisajobs.com/employer/microsoft/ https://www.myvisajobs.com/employer/microsoft/ Utterly predictable behavior by Satya Nadella.

pratnala 1y ago
Layoffs are planned in India too.
- symlinkk 1y ago
  Really? Where do you see that?
  - ilove196884 1y ago
    I am in India with friends in their last year in college. Hiring is effectively ice cold. Companies like TCS, Infosys wouldn't come to his college but now do. I just want to say good luck, these projects and products are on autopilot with no hiring in India and layoffs everywhere.
    - InkCanon 1y ago
      That probably has more to do with the absolute tsunami of CS graduates India produces.
- InkCanon 1y ago
  Not according to the head of Microsoft India.
onlyrealcuzzo 1y ago
I will just comment that MSFT felt the need to get 1264 approvals for NEW H-1B petitions THIS year.
amendegree 1y ago
Not to hate on immigrants… but shouldn’t H1B’s be the first on the chopping block of layoffs? Hard to imagine all those H1Bs are so unique that others already employed can’t replace them.
- MangoToupe 1y ago
  You don't need to pay H1Bs as much. They're a bargain deal.
  - Group_B 1y ago
    Yep, you need to get sponsored to work so we have thousands and thousands of workers trapped with low salaries. Nothing they can really do. It’s too risky trying to find another company to sponsor you because otherwise you get deported back
  - ActionHank 1y ago
    They also can't as easily job hop.
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      And so they can't push back on a crazy workload.
  - RajT88 1y ago
    The spice must flow. Preferably at a lower cost, though...
- darth_avocado 1y ago
  So you are hating on immigrants…
  - onlyrealcuzzo 1y ago
    It's not quite that reductive. If the point of the program is A, and you think it's being used as B, it's fair to ask if the point of the program is really A or if it's actually B. Just pointing that out or asking the question does not mean you "hate immigrants". You might! But I don't think it's guaranteed.
darth_avocado 1y ago
The layoffs are mostly in the sales division as pointed out by other commentators. H1B filings most likely would not be in sales.
- DebtDeflation 1y ago
  How does that even work? You take away thousands of people in the market selling (presumably these were enterprise sales, not low end consumer stuff that "sells itself") and what happens to revenue? This strikes me as classic bean-counter logic that sees all sales and marketing effort as pure cost and assumes it can be eliminated while simultaneously viewing revenue as a constant, with no relationship between the two. Really an extension of the view that you should just eliminate all of the engineers first, because they're the most expensive. Too many people in the C-suite detached from their products and their customers, who see their company as just numbers in a spreadsheet.
  - HDThoreaun 1y ago
    Maybe they think the enterprise software growth opportunities are drying up? When youre already in every single conglomerates tech stack theres no one else to sell to sop you dont need as many salespeople.
gsky 1y ago
They need employees to serve their Indian market.
InkCanon 1y ago
Also: Microsoft India untouched by layoffs, actually hiring https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/microsoft-layoffs-no-not-in-india-says-microsofts-india-and-south-asia-head-puneet-chandok/articleshow/117225199.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mic...
vitaflo 1y ago
This is the future for all tech companies. Tech workers in the US are the modern day factory workers. Offshore skill set rise plus AI means the end of US tech jobs in the next decade just like it meant the end of US factory work in the 90's. Everyone in tech thinks they are special but companies will always do what they can to reduce costs and tech salaries are some of the biggest costs companies have. They're going to do everything in their power to reduce them.

pratnala 1y ago

Layoffs are planned in India too.

symlinkk 1y ago
Really? Where do you see that?
- ilove196884 1y ago
  I am in India with friends in their last year in college. Hiring is effectively ice cold. Companies like TCS, Infosys wouldn't come to his college but now do. I just want to say good luck, these projects and products are on autopilot with no hiring in India and layoffs everywhere.
  - InkCanon 1y ago
    That probably has more to do with the absolute tsunami of CS graduates India produces.
InkCanon 1y ago
Not according to the head of Microsoft India.

onlyrealcuzzo 1y ago

I will just comment that MSFT felt the need to get 1264 approvals for NEW H-1B petitions THIS year.

amendegree 1y ago

Not to hate on immigrants… but shouldn’t H1B’s be the first on the chopping block of layoffs? Hard to imagine all those H1Bs are so unique that others already employed can’t replace them.

MangoToupe 1y ago
You don't need to pay H1Bs as much. They're a bargain deal.
- Group_B 1y ago
  Yep, you need to get sponsored to work so we have thousands and thousands of workers trapped with low salaries. Nothing they can really do. It’s too risky trying to find another company to sponsor you because otherwise you get deported back
- ActionHank 1y ago
  They also can't as easily job hop.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    And so they can't push back on a crazy workload.
- RajT88 1y ago
  The spice must flow. Preferably at a lower cost, though...
darth_avocado 1y ago
So you are hating on immigrants…
- onlyrealcuzzo 1y ago
  It's not quite that reductive. If the point of the program is A, and you think it's being used as B, it's fair to ask if the point of the program is really A or if it's actually B. Just pointing that out or asking the question does not mean you "hate immigrants". You might! But I don't think it's guaranteed.

darth_avocado 1y ago

The layoffs are mostly in the sales division as pointed out by other commentators. H1B filings most likely would not be in sales.

DebtDeflation 1y ago
How does that even work? You take away thousands of people in the market selling (presumably these were enterprise sales, not low end consumer stuff that "sells itself") and what happens to revenue? This strikes me as classic bean-counter logic that sees all sales and marketing effort as pure cost and assumes it can be eliminated while simultaneously viewing revenue as a constant, with no relationship between the two. Really an extension of the view that you should just eliminate all of the engineers first, because they're the most expensive. Too many people in the C-suite detached from their products and their customers, who see their company as just numbers in a spreadsheet.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  Maybe they think the enterprise software growth opportunities are drying up? When youre already in every single conglomerates tech stack theres no one else to sell to sop you dont need as many salespeople.

gsky 1y ago

They need employees to serve their Indian market.

InkCanon 1y ago

Also: Microsoft India untouched by layoffs, actually hiring https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/microsoft-layoffs-no-not-in-india-says-microsofts-india-and-south-asia-head-puneet-chandok/articleshow/117225199.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mic...

vitaflo 1y ago

This is the future for all tech companies. Tech workers in the US are the modern day factory workers. Offshore skill set rise plus AI means the end of US tech jobs in the next decade just like it meant the end of US factory work in the 90's. Everyone in tech thinks they are special but companies will always do what they can to reduce costs and tech salaries are some of the biggest costs companies have. They're going to do everything in their power to reduce them.