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> Speaking from the university’s hilltop astrophysics lab, AMU President Eric Berton likened the situation to that of European academics who fled persecution by

> Speaking from the university’s hilltop astrophysics lab, AMU President Eric Berton likened the situation to that of European academics who fled persecution by Nazi Germany both before and during World War II. This is offensive on so many levels, not least of which to history.

saubeidl 1y ago
Experts in the rise of fascism disagree to the point that they, too, have fled the country: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/opinion/yale-canada-fascism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/opinion/yale-canada-fasci...
sofixa 1y ago
Why is it offensive? The current US administration has an outgroup they say ludicrous things about (do you remember the "eating pets" bit?), and have started rounding them up (by masked men in unidentified vehicles and without uniforms) with no due process to send to camps (often abroad). Various scientific research areas have also been the focus of extensive and frankly asinine criticism. Do you remember when the orange guy drew a hurricane with a sharpie? Or when he proposed nuking it? Or when various research funding was killed by DOGE, often with blatant misrepresentations of what the research was? What about the brain dead woman kept as an incubator? Various media organisations have been sued on flimsy at best pretenses to silence them (like the CBS trial which was just settled). If anyone is failing to see the similarities to other historical far right rises to and centralisation of power, they're lacking in knowledge on these, or stand to benefit.
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- linotype 1y ago
  It’s offensive because it compares the idiotic and fascist behavior of the current US administration with the behavior of the European Nazis, who murdered millions during the Holocaust, downplaying the massive suffering caused by the Germans.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    In German we have a saying: "Wehret den Anfängen." It literally translates to "Beware the Beginnings". As somebody who's history education was mostly centered around said beginnings, let me tell you, things sound real familiar right now, and not in a good way. If you're interested, read this excerpt of a book based on post-war interviews with Germans about the rise of Nazism and see if any of it sounds familiar: https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.htm https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.htm
  - sofixa 1y ago
    It doesn't downplay anything. The Nazis didn't start by slaughtering millions, they did a bunch of other things before that to establish their rule, and importantly, to clarify who the outgroup is, deny them rights, and paint them as the bad subhumans in front of everyone. While planning deportations (e.g. the Madagascar plan) and rounding up some of them, as well as detractors in camps. That's roughly at the stages where the idiotic and fascist US administration currently is at. Ignoring the parallels serves no purpose. That's not to say they will move on the next stage (industrial extermination) like the Nazis did.
computerthings 1y ago
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saubeidl 1y ago

Experts in the rise of fascism disagree to the point that they, too, have fled the country: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/opinion/yale-canada-fascism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/14/opinion/yale-canada-fasci...

sofixa 1y ago

Why is it offensive? The current US administration has an outgroup they say ludicrous things about (do you remember the "eating pets" bit?), and have started rounding them up (by masked men in unidentified vehicles and without uniforms) with no due process to send to camps (often abroad). Various scientific research areas have also been the focus of extensive and frankly asinine criticism. Do you remember when the orange guy drew a hurricane with a sharpie? Or when he proposed nuking it? Or when various research funding was killed by DOGE, often with blatant misrepresentations of what the research was? What about the brain dead woman kept as an incubator? Various media organisations have been sued on flimsy at best pretenses to silence them (like the CBS trial which was just settled). If anyone is failing to see the similarities to other historical far right rises to and centralisation of power, they're lacking in knowledge on these, or stand to benefit.

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linotype 1y ago
It’s offensive because it compares the idiotic and fascist behavior of the current US administration with the behavior of the European Nazis, who murdered millions during the Holocaust, downplaying the massive suffering caused by the Germans.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  In German we have a saying: "Wehret den Anfängen." It literally translates to "Beware the Beginnings". As somebody who's history education was mostly centered around said beginnings, let me tell you, things sound real familiar right now, and not in a good way. If you're interested, read this excerpt of a book based on post-war interviews with Germans about the rise of Nazism and see if any of it sounds familiar: https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.htm https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.htm
- sofixa 1y ago
  It doesn't downplay anything. The Nazis didn't start by slaughtering millions, they did a bunch of other things before that to establish their rule, and importantly, to clarify who the outgroup is, deny them rights, and paint them as the bad subhumans in front of everyone. While planning deportations (e.g. the Madagascar plan) and rounding up some of them, as well as detractors in camps. That's roughly at the stages where the idiotic and fascist US administration currently is at. Ignoring the parallels serves no purpose. That's not to say they will move on the next stage (industrial extermination) like the Nazis did.

computerthings 1y ago

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