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you get to live in France, have free health care and school for your kids (and I bet these underpaid researchers in france actually get completely unheard of in

by zzzeek 1y ago

you get to live in France, have free health care and school for your kids (and I bet these underpaid researchers in france actually get completely unheard of in the US things like modest pensions). How much do you actually need to be paid? Most Americans would materially benefit from such an exchange

Invictus0 1y ago
> free healthcare > earn 40k/yr > get taxed 30% on it
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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  - zzzeek 1y ago
    pointless pedantry "free" means "no payment is due for medical care, regardless of how extensive the care"
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    If we redefine words to have no meaning, then there is no such thing as words with meaning, yes.
  - rickydroll 1y ago
    Which is why I prefer to differentiate them as taxpayer-funded versus employer-subsidized health care
- zzzeek 1y ago
  can bike to work without being run down by a 10 ft high pickup truck, I dunno sign me up maybe
- jonathanlb 1y ago
  > get taxes 30% on it As opposed to paying more out of pocket or getting denied a claim? No thank you.
  - betaby 1y ago
    As opposed to paying the same rate and still not having functioning health care. Hello from Quebec, Canada,
    - mcphage 1y ago
      > As opposed to paying the same rate and still not having functioning health care. Hello from Quebec, Canada What do you mean "as opposed to"—that's exactly where the entire US is at.
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        As opposed to France, where taxes are high, but health care functions and life expectancy is five years higher than in the US.
        mcphage 1y ago
        See, that would make a good comparison.
rank0 1y ago
The data on this is very clear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c.... > According to the OECD, 'household disposable income is income available to households such as wages and salaries, income from self-employment and unincorporated enterprises, income from pensions and other social benefits, and income from financial investments (less any payments of tax, social insurance contributions and interest on financial liabilities). 'Gross' means that depreciation costs are not subtracted.'[1] This indicator also takes account of social transfers in kind 'such as health or education provided for free or at reduced prices by governments and not-for-profit organisations.' United States: 62,300 France: 45,548 Americans need to be more grateful for what they have.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  Disposable income is a poor metric to use though. Money isn't everything. The french have better public transport, more social stability, a life expectancy that's higher by five (!) years etc etc. By pretty much whatever standard you use, their quality of life is much higher.
  - maeln 1y ago
    From my anecdotal evidence (so it proves nothing), it seems like being poor / middle class in France is better than in the U.S. But being high-middle class / rich / in the owner class, is better in the U.S, since you already don't need the socialized healthcare, you actively seek segregated places to live, you do not take the public transport (or at least that often), etc, but you do get to enjoy all the amenities for rich people that the U.S offer, which is way more than France since it has a higher volume of rich people.
    - saubeidl 1y ago
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by zzzeek 1y ago

Invictus0 1y ago

> free healthcare > earn 40k/yr > get taxed 30% on it

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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- zzzeek 1y ago
  pointless pedantry "free" means "no payment is due for medical care, regardless of how extensive the care"
- saubeidl 1y ago
  If we redefine words to have no meaning, then there is no such thing as words with meaning, yes.
- rickydroll 1y ago
  Which is why I prefer to differentiate them as taxpayer-funded versus employer-subsidized health care
zzzeek 1y ago
can bike to work without being run down by a 10 ft high pickup truck, I dunno sign me up maybe
jonathanlb 1y ago
> get taxes 30% on it As opposed to paying more out of pocket or getting denied a claim? No thank you.
- betaby 1y ago
  As opposed to paying the same rate and still not having functioning health care. Hello from Quebec, Canada,
  - mcphage 1y ago
    > As opposed to paying the same rate and still not having functioning health care. Hello from Quebec, Canada What do you mean "as opposed to"—that's exactly where the entire US is at.
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      As opposed to France, where taxes are high, but health care functions and life expectancy is five years higher than in the US.
      - mcphage 1y ago
        See, that would make a good comparison.

rank0 1y ago

The data on this is very clear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_c.... > According to the OECD, 'household disposable income is income available to households such as wages and salaries, income from self-employment and unincorporated enterprises, income from pensions and other social benefits, and income from financial investments (less any payments of tax, social insurance contributions and interest on financial liabilities). 'Gross' means that depreciation costs are not subtracted.'[1] This indicator also takes account of social transfers in kind 'such as health or education provided for free or at reduced prices by governments and not-for-profit organisations.' United States: 62,300 France: 45,548 Americans need to be more grateful for what they have.

saubeidl 1y ago
Disposable income is a poor metric to use though. Money isn't everything. The french have better public transport, more social stability, a life expectancy that's higher by five (!) years etc etc. By pretty much whatever standard you use, their quality of life is much higher.
- maeln 1y ago
  From my anecdotal evidence (so it proves nothing), it seems like being poor / middle class in France is better than in the U.S. But being high-middle class / rich / in the owner class, is better in the U.S, since you already don't need the socialized healthcare, you actively seek segregated places to live, you do not take the public transport (or at least that often), etc, but you do get to enjoy all the amenities for rich people that the U.S offer, which is way more than France since it has a higher volume of rich people.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
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    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago