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The problem has become less about cheap labor and more about general know how. China simply leads the world in manufacturing know how. https://youtu.be/L9f5SQQ

by donatj 1y ago

The problem has become less about cheap labor and more about general know how. China simply leads the world in manufacturing know how. https://youtu.be/L9f5SQQKr5o https://youtu.be/L9f5SQQKr5o

ForestCritter 1y ago
And slave labour. Nobody cares that their cheap products are the fruit of slave labour.
- a4isms 1y ago
  Louis CK deserves credit for calling this out in a brilliant bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-1jc1oDRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-1jc1oDRk (Yes, this video is framed and has Italian subtitles, but all the others I found do weird things with panning and clipping to evade censorship filters, and I believe that his body language is an important part of the delivery.)
bluGill 1y ago
While true, that know-how is misleading. There is a lot of know-how in the US - the US makes more than every before, which means the know-how is still here! It is just focused on the things we already make and do well on, so often you can't get at it.
- franktankbank 1y ago
  > the US makes more than every before How true is this? Is this financial sleight-of-hand? We assemble the parts after the hard part was already done?
  - bluGill 1y ago
    There is a lot of automation. What used to be done by 2000 men (sexism intended) in 1950 is now done by 150 people. Of course parts come from all over, and go to all over so it is really had to agree on a measure, but there is a lot done in the US.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  >There is a lot of know-how in the US As someone who works in US manufacturing, let me qualify that by saying "There is a lot of know-how in senior citizens in the US". I really cannot overstate how me, a guy in his late 30's, is consistently the youngest engineer by decades when doing site visits.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    Where I work there is a good mix of all ages. Part of that is we got burned far enough back that all the "senior citizens" retired and we were forced to suddenly replace them and the fallout is we changed our practices to ensure there is a mix of ages so that everyone has mentors and time to learn from mistakes. I just don't know how to get the above into management studies that are taught in business school - there seems to be a lack of interest in long term expertise in those circles.
farceSpherule 1y ago
This is because they are the largest thieves of intellectual property on the planet. They steal everything because they cannot do it themselves.
- convolvatron 1y ago
  that _may_ have been true 20 years ago, but at this point they are driving
  - farceSpherule 1y ago
    I work in Incident Response. They are prolific.

by donatj 1y ago

The problem has become less about cheap labor and more about general know how. China simply leads the world in manufacturing know how. https://youtu.be/L9f5SQQKr5o https://youtu.be/L9f5SQQKr5o

ForestCritter 1y ago

And slave labour. Nobody cares that their cheap products are the fruit of slave labour.

a4isms 1y ago
Louis CK deserves credit for calling this out in a brilliant bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-1jc1oDRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-1jc1oDRk (Yes, this video is framed and has Italian subtitles, but all the others I found do weird things with panning and clipping to evade censorship filters, and I believe that his body language is an important part of the delivery.)

bluGill 1y ago

While true, that know-how is misleading. There is a lot of know-how in the US - the US makes more than every before, which means the know-how is still here! It is just focused on the things we already make and do well on, so often you can't get at it.

franktankbank 1y ago
> the US makes more than every before How true is this? Is this financial sleight-of-hand? We assemble the parts after the hard part was already done?
- bluGill 1y ago
  There is a lot of automation. What used to be done by 2000 men (sexism intended) in 1950 is now done by 150 people. Of course parts come from all over, and go to all over so it is really had to agree on a measure, but there is a lot done in the US.
Workaccount2 1y ago
>There is a lot of know-how in the US As someone who works in US manufacturing, let me qualify that by saying "There is a lot of know-how in senior citizens in the US". I really cannot overstate how me, a guy in his late 30's, is consistently the youngest engineer by decades when doing site visits.
- bluGill 1y ago
  Where I work there is a good mix of all ages. Part of that is we got burned far enough back that all the "senior citizens" retired and we were forced to suddenly replace them and the fallout is we changed our practices to ensure there is a mix of ages so that everyone has mentors and time to learn from mistakes. I just don't know how to get the above into management studies that are taught in business school - there seems to be a lack of interest in long term expertise in those circles.

farceSpherule 1y ago

This is because they are the largest thieves of intellectual property on the planet. They steal everything because they cannot do it themselves.

convolvatron 1y ago
that _may_ have been true 20 years ago, but at this point they are driving
- farceSpherule 1y ago
  I work in Incident Response. They are prolific.