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As a thought exercise, OpenAI can partner to apply the technology to: - online gambling - kids gambling - algorithmic advertising Are these any better ? Al

As a thought exercise, OpenAI can partner to apply the technology to: - online gambling - kids gambling - algorithmic advertising Are these any better ? All of these are of course money wells and a logical move for a for-profit IMHO. And they can of course also integrate into a Meta competitor's algorithmic feeds as well, putting them at the same level as Meta in that regard. All in all, I'm not seeing them having any moral high ground, even purely hypotheticaly.

pj_mukh 1y ago
Wait if an online gambling company uses OpenAI API then hosts it all on AWS, somehow OpenAI is more morally culpable than AWS? Why?
- makeitdouble 1y ago
  I saw the discussion as whether OpenAI is on a better moral ground than Meta, so this was my angle. On where the moral burden lies in your example, I'd argue we should follow the money and see what has the most impact on that online gambling company's bottom line. Inherently that could have the most impact on what happens when that company succeeds: if those become OpenAI's biggest clients, it wouldn't be surprising that they put more and more weight in being well suited for online gambling companies. Does AWS get specially impacted by hosting online gambling services ? I honestly don't expect them to, not more than community sites or concert ticket sellers.
  - pj_mukh 1y ago
    There is no world in which online gambling beats other back-office automation in pure revenue terms. I'm comfortable saying that OpenAI would probably have to spend more money policing to make sure their API's aren't used by gambling companies than they'd make off of them. Either way, these are all imagined horrors, so it is difficult to judge. I am judging the two companies for what they are, not what they could be. And as it is, there is no more damaging technology than Meta's various algorithmic feeds.
    - makeitdouble 1y ago
      > There is no world in which online gambling beats other back-office automation in pure revenue terms. Apple's revenue is massively from in-app purchases, which are mainly games, and online betting also entered the picture. We had Tim Cook on the stand explain that they need that money and can't let Epic open that gate. I think we're already there in some form or another, the question would be whether OpenAI has any angle for touching that pie (I'd argue no, but they have talented people) > I am judging the two companies for what they are, not what they could be Thing is, AI is mostly nothing right now. We're only discussing it because it of its potential.
      - pj_mukh 1y ago
        My point exactly. The App Store has no play in back office automation so the comparison doesn’t make sense. AFAICT, OpenAI is already making Billions on back office automation. I just came from a doctors visit where the she was using some medical grade ChatGPT wrapper to transcribe my medical conversation meanwhile I fight with instagram for the attention of my family members. AI is already here [1]. Could there be better owners of super intelligence? Sure. Is OpenAI better than Meta. 100% [1] https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/09/openai-hits-10-billion-in-annualized-revenue-fueled-by-chatgpt-growth.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/09/openai-hits-10-billion-i...

pj_mukh 1y ago

Wait if an online gambling company uses OpenAI API then hosts it all on AWS, somehow OpenAI is more morally culpable than AWS? Why?

makeitdouble 1y ago
I saw the discussion as whether OpenAI is on a better moral ground than Meta, so this was my angle. On where the moral burden lies in your example, I'd argue we should follow the money and see what has the most impact on that online gambling company's bottom line. Inherently that could have the most impact on what happens when that company succeeds: if those become OpenAI's biggest clients, it wouldn't be surprising that they put more and more weight in being well suited for online gambling companies. Does AWS get specially impacted by hosting online gambling services ? I honestly don't expect them to, not more than community sites or concert ticket sellers.
- pj_mukh 1y ago
  There is no world in which online gambling beats other back-office automation in pure revenue terms. I'm comfortable saying that OpenAI would probably have to spend more money policing to make sure their API's aren't used by gambling companies than they'd make off of them. Either way, these are all imagined horrors, so it is difficult to judge. I am judging the two companies for what they are, not what they could be. And as it is, there is no more damaging technology than Meta's various algorithmic feeds.
  - makeitdouble 1y ago
    > There is no world in which online gambling beats other back-office automation in pure revenue terms. Apple's revenue is massively from in-app purchases, which are mainly games, and online betting also entered the picture. We had Tim Cook on the stand explain that they need that money and can't let Epic open that gate. I think we're already there in some form or another, the question would be whether OpenAI has any angle for touching that pie (I'd argue no, but they have talented people) > I am judging the two companies for what they are, not what they could be Thing is, AI is mostly nothing right now. We're only discussing it because it of its potential.
    - pj_mukh 1y ago
      My point exactly. The App Store has no play in back office automation so the comparison doesn’t make sense. AFAICT, OpenAI is already making Billions on back office automation. I just came from a doctors visit where the she was using some medical grade ChatGPT wrapper to transcribe my medical conversation meanwhile I fight with instagram for the attention of my family members. AI is already here [1]. Could there be better owners of super intelligence? Sure. Is OpenAI better than Meta. 100% [1] https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/09/openai-hits-10-billion-in-annualized-revenue-fueled-by-chatgpt-growth.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/06/09/openai-hits-10-billion-i...