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It made me cringe to think that a usenet article made the frontpage. Nothing to see here folks...

by xpose2000 14y ago

emehrkay 14y ago
1st rule or you despise it?
- peterwwillis 14y ago
  Usenet has for years been the most reliable, easiest source for high-quality same-day releases that the Copyright Czars have always ignored (probably due to lack of popularity). The more popular it gets, the quicker it gets killed. I mean, few people realize how ridiculously, amazingly simple it is to download a movie or even an entire series using Usenet and NZBs. Click a file and start downloading at full bandwidth. That's it. No torrent seeding bullshit, no download caps or mirrors to find. It's incredible. And we're scared it might become popular.
  - ChiperSoft 14y ago
    Honest question, how would usenet get killed? Usenet posts are, for all intents and purposes, anonymous. Sure there's some source header information, but that's extremely easy to spoof and there's already dozens of SAAS upload services which hide the user's identity. Downloaders are as anonymous as their NNTP provider makes them, thanks to SSL encrypted connections. The only attack vector for copyright holders is to go after the service providers, which _should_ fall under safe-haven rules. The worst they can do is issue DMCA takedowns for individual posts, which can number in the hundred of thousands for just a single video. If safe haven didn't apply, usenet itself is distributed, take down one host and people will simply move to another.
    - evandena 14y ago
      Each provider still has take down rules in place, which propagate to the other providers. I guess if the copyright holders monitor every file like a hawk, they can send tons of take downs and pretty much cripple the library.
      - ChiperSoft 14y ago
        Ah, I wasn't aware that takedowns propagate. That does change things.
    - manualz 14y ago
      @evandena > which propagate to the other providers Source? I haven't heard of DMCA takedowns propagating to other separate companies. Resellers sure (same company). Many users have specifically avoided Highwinds resellers due to the large number of takedowns they receive, implying that whoever else they find isn't getting (or observing) the notices.
- xpose2000 14y ago
  1st rule.

It made me cringe to think that a usenet article made the frontpage. Nothing to see here folks...

emehrkay 14y ago

1st rule or you despise it?

peterwwillis 14y ago
Usenet has for years been the most reliable, easiest source for high-quality same-day releases that the Copyright Czars have always ignored (probably due to lack of popularity). The more popular it gets, the quicker it gets killed. I mean, few people realize how ridiculously, amazingly simple it is to download a movie or even an entire series using Usenet and NZBs. Click a file and start downloading at full bandwidth. That's it. No torrent seeding bullshit, no download caps or mirrors to find. It's incredible. And we're scared it might become popular.
- ChiperSoft 14y ago
  Honest question, how would usenet get killed? Usenet posts are, for all intents and purposes, anonymous. Sure there's some source header information, but that's extremely easy to spoof and there's already dozens of SAAS upload services which hide the user's identity. Downloaders are as anonymous as their NNTP provider makes them, thanks to SSL encrypted connections. The only attack vector for copyright holders is to go after the service providers, which _should_ fall under safe-haven rules. The worst they can do is issue DMCA takedowns for individual posts, which can number in the hundred of thousands for just a single video. If safe haven didn't apply, usenet itself is distributed, take down one host and people will simply move to another.
  - evandena 14y ago
    Each provider still has take down rules in place, which propagate to the other providers. I guess if the copyright holders monitor every file like a hawk, they can send tons of take downs and pretty much cripple the library.
    - ChiperSoft 14y ago
      Ah, I wasn't aware that takedowns propagate. That does change things.
  - manualz 14y ago
    @evandena > which propagate to the other providers Source? I haven't heard of DMCA takedowns propagating to other separate companies. Resellers sure (same company). Many users have specifically avoided Highwinds resellers due to the large number of takedowns they receive, implying that whoever else they find isn't getting (or observing) the notices.
xpose2000 14y ago
1st rule.