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Not every decision is about opsec. If, for what you're doing, you want people to be alerted about your actions without your explicit say-so, then signal is not

Not every decision is about opsec. If, for what you're doing, you want people to be alerted about your actions without your explicit say-so, then signal is not the tool for that job. Shame on discord for having a lousy privacy stance, but most people aren't on signal for the privacy, most people are on signal because that's where their friends are (and one or two of those friends is there for the privacy).

crossroadsguy 1y ago
Discord probably has a choice — free or ‘private/paid and then die sooner’. Sooner as in before a spectacular exit.
udev4096 1y ago
That's the difference between people who give in and people who don't. This is not about "opsec", it's about exercising your fundamental right to privacy. Majority of people are reckless, the ones who take a second to think about it are not
- jaytxng 1y ago
  but why can't the same person use both? i like discord since it has better group chat features that my groups use, but i also use signal for privacy with some of those group members. it's not like people have to "don't give in" all the time...
- otoburb 1y ago
  I agree with you, but the trade off is real for most people. It's unfortunately a binary choice: 'privacy ⊕ social community', instead of 'privacy & social' community. It's interesting how opensource Zulip[1] hasn't been able to garner as much of a following or usage amongst the gamer crowd compared to Discord. [1] https://zulip.com/ https://zulip.com/
  - cptroot 1y ago
    These two apps are not comparable. My guess is that 90%+ of people using Discord are doing so for the low-latency voice conversations with optional screen/game sharing. Zulip does not have first-party voice chat. You would be more likely to get gamers to switch to a Teamspeak server.
heresie-dabord 1y ago
> Not every decision is about opsec. Until you find that you expected security and privacy and the developer/corporation/investors say, "too bad for you". This is the warning of Niemöller's famous paraprosdokian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came

crossroadsguy 1y ago

Discord probably has a choice — free or ‘private/paid and then die sooner’. Sooner as in before a spectacular exit.

udev4096 1y ago

That's the difference between people who give in and people who don't. This is not about "opsec", it's about exercising your fundamental right to privacy. Majority of people are reckless, the ones who take a second to think about it are not

jaytxng 1y ago
but why can't the same person use both? i like discord since it has better group chat features that my groups use, but i also use signal for privacy with some of those group members. it's not like people have to "don't give in" all the time...
otoburb 1y ago
I agree with you, but the trade off is real for most people. It's unfortunately a binary choice: 'privacy ⊕ social community', instead of 'privacy & social' community. It's interesting how opensource Zulip[1] hasn't been able to garner as much of a following or usage amongst the gamer crowd compared to Discord. [1] https://zulip.com/ https://zulip.com/
- cptroot 1y ago
  These two apps are not comparable. My guess is that 90%+ of people using Discord are doing so for the low-latency voice conversations with optional screen/game sharing. Zulip does not have first-party voice chat. You would be more likely to get gamers to switch to a Teamspeak server.

heresie-dabord 1y ago

> Not every decision is about opsec. Until you find that you expected security and privacy and the developer/corporation/investors say, "too bad for you". This is the warning of Niemöller's famous paraprosdokian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_They_Came