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Not to sugarcoat or downplay the struggle, but on the bright side - i don't know other countries where "made in <...>" really mean something. Only Japan. Not ev

Not to sugarcoat or downplay the struggle, but on the bright side - i don't know other countries where "made in <...>" really mean something. Only Japan. Not even Germany anymore.

paulcole 1y ago
I will say that for clothing, Made in USA tends to be very high quality - at least for the kind of fashiony workwear that I buy.
- aristofun 1y ago
  And pastries are great in Italy. I meant real, complex things, like cars, electronics, machinery.
  - paulcole 1y ago
    Was it pretty simple for you the last time you made thousands of pairs of jeans and sport coats?
    - aristofun 1y ago
      Yep. With enough effort and time I (or almost anyone) can if i want to make a decent jeans or cake at home. But i probably will never be able to create a car, or even a microscope.
      - paulcole 1y ago
        I think this says more about how little you know about commercial production of jeans and cakes than how complex cakes and jeans are. This is the classic HN trope of: "things I like and think about a lot" = "real and complex things" and "things I don't like and don't think about a lot" = "simple things that anyone can do with a little time and effort" Kind of like how when anyone here says they can't get "serious work" done on an iPad they always mean development work. And that somehow executives, marketing professionals etc. who work effectively on an iPad aren't doing "serious work."
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        aristofun 1y ago
        Im an engineer by education. I understand the complexities of building anything (even a ball for ballpen) at scale. But it wasn’t my point. In virtually every country you can find a great tailor to make a perfect pair of jeans. Yet only a handful of them can make cars worth calling “a car”. It’s pretty silly to consider all types of products equal in their intrinsic value and complexity. Clothing these daays is almost a commodity.
        paulcole 1y ago
        > In virtually every country you can find a great tailor to make a perfect pair of jeans. Yet only a handful of them can make cars worth calling “a car”. You are saying that clothing is a commodity and that a perfect pair of jeans is universally available because you don't know what makes a perfect pair of jeans and you see clothing as a commodity. My original comment was specifically not about commoditized clothing. > Im an engineer by education. I understand the complexities of building anything (even a ball for ballpen) at scale. Genuflect when you say that fella lol.

Not to sugarcoat or downplay the struggle, but on the bright side - i don't know other countries where "made in <...>" really mean something. Only Japan. Not even Germany anymore.

paulcole 1y ago

I will say that for clothing, Made in USA tends to be very high quality - at least for the kind of fashiony workwear that I buy.

aristofun 1y ago
And pastries are great in Italy. I meant real, complex things, like cars, electronics, machinery.
- paulcole 1y ago
  Was it pretty simple for you the last time you made thousands of pairs of jeans and sport coats?
  - aristofun 1y ago
    Yep. With enough effort and time I (or almost anyone) can if i want to make a decent jeans or cake at home. But i probably will never be able to create a car, or even a microscope.
    - paulcole 1y ago
      I think this says more about how little you know about commercial production of jeans and cakes than how complex cakes and jeans are. This is the classic HN trope of: "things I like and think about a lot" = "real and complex things" and "things I don't like and don't think about a lot" = "simple things that anyone can do with a little time and effort" Kind of like how when anyone here says they can't get "serious work" done on an iPad they always mean development work. And that somehow executives, marketing professionals etc. who work effectively on an iPad aren't doing "serious work."
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      - aristofun 1y ago
        Im an engineer by education. I understand the complexities of building anything (even a ball for ballpen) at scale. But it wasn’t my point. In virtually every country you can find a great tailor to make a perfect pair of jeans. Yet only a handful of them can make cars worth calling “a car”. It’s pretty silly to consider all types of products equal in their intrinsic value and complexity. Clothing these daays is almost a commodity.
        paulcole 1y ago
        > In virtually every country you can find a great tailor to make a perfect pair of jeans. Yet only a handful of them can make cars worth calling “a car”. You are saying that clothing is a commodity and that a perfect pair of jeans is universally available because you don't know what makes a perfect pair of jeans and you see clothing as a commodity. My original comment was specifically not about commoditized clothing. > Im an engineer by education. I understand the complexities of building anything (even a ball for ballpen) at scale. Genuflect when you say that fella lol.