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>held accountable for predatory behavior? Apple is held accountable by people choosing not to use their device. If iPhone is too expensive for the value it pro

>held accountable for predatory behavior? Apple is held accountable by people choosing not to use their device. If iPhone is too expensive for the value it provides people won't use them. >The thing with this 30% tax the private company Apple imposes on a majority of US adults is reasonable? By this logic grocery stores have been applying a 30+% tax to all of America since the country was founded. >but not allowing other stores OR allowing external payment methods to be advertised is definitely predatory behavior Again comparing to a grocery store I think it is fair for them to prohibit unauthorized sellers to sell within their premises. This is a standard because it can undermine the business model of the business. >But Apple makes a profit of iPhones, they make a profit on iCloud, they make profit on App Store... They make a profit everywhere. And that's why Apple is worth 3 trillion and Sony isn't. Apple has created a successful business with large profit margins that people are willing to pay. It's not predatory if people are willing to pay for it.

lillecarl 1y ago
It might not seem predatory to the end user, but to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing. They can't deliver a mobile app to 60% of Americans without going through Apples little LARP government where they set the tax to 30% and arbitrary rules they see fit to increase their profits. And in the end that affects the end users because more things become useless adfilled crap because it's more profitable, and everything is more expensive. I don't even get how you're comparing grocery stores (which do NOT have a 30% profit, maybe 4-6) to Apple passively making 30% off anyone who wants access to "modern day people". Grocery stores don't scale like virtual markets, when you buy something you cost the store money, when i buy whatever through App Store it costs Apple virtually nothing and they make 30% because they like it. Obviously regulators seem to agree with me and at the end of the day they make the rules, and I agree with the regulators in this case and I don't think many people think what Apple is doing is good and appreciate it. People are forced into the iOS ecosystem because that's what everyone uses in some profitable parts of the world too.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  >to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing Developers don't have a right to access other business's customers. If you want to sell jewelry you don't have a right to have your jewelry put into a nation wide jewelry store chain to be able to access most Americans. Customer relationships are a vary valuable asset of a business. >passively making 30% It's only passive if you ignore the billions of dollars they dumped into building the ecosystem and growing a customer base that they can monetize to developers.
  - lillecarl 1y ago
    It seems we're unable to find common ground. Many governments are pushing back and in the end they're the ones who decide and they don't like Apple taxing everything 30%. Do you also prefer lightning over USB-C?
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      I'm neutral on lightning. I don't know much about hardware so I have not formed a true opinion on them.

lillecarl 1y ago

It might not seem predatory to the end user, but to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing. They can't deliver a mobile app to 60% of Americans without going through Apples little LARP government where they set the tax to 30% and arbitrary rules they see fit to increase their profits. And in the end that affects the end users because more things become useless adfilled crap because it's more profitable, and everything is more expensive. I don't even get how you're comparing grocery stores (which do NOT have a 30% profit, maybe 4-6) to Apple passively making 30% off anyone who wants access to "modern day people". Grocery stores don't scale like virtual markets, when you buy something you cost the store money, when i buy whatever through App Store it costs Apple virtually nothing and they make 30% because they like it. Obviously regulators seem to agree with me and at the end of the day they make the rules, and I agree with the regulators in this case and I don't think many people think what Apple is doing is good and appreciate it. People are forced into the iOS ecosystem because that's what everyone uses in some profitable parts of the world too.

charcircuit 1y ago
>to all developers who want to access these people it's another thing Developers don't have a right to access other business's customers. If you want to sell jewelry you don't have a right to have your jewelry put into a nation wide jewelry store chain to be able to access most Americans. Customer relationships are a vary valuable asset of a business. >passively making 30% It's only passive if you ignore the billions of dollars they dumped into building the ecosystem and growing a customer base that they can monetize to developers.
- lillecarl 1y ago
  It seems we're unable to find common ground. Many governments are pushing back and in the end they're the ones who decide and they don't like Apple taxing everything 30%. Do you also prefer lightning over USB-C?
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    I'm neutral on lightning. I don't know much about hardware so I have not formed a true opinion on them.