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Given the Anthropic legal terms forbid competing with them, what are we actually allowed to do with this? Seems confusing what is allowed. No machine learning
by bionhoward 1y ago
Given the Anthropic legal terms forbid competing with them, what are we actually allowed to do with this? Seems confusing what is allowed.
No machine learning work? That would compete.
No writing stuff I would train AI on. Except I own the stuff it writes, but I can’t use it.
Can we build websites with it? What websites don’t compete with Anthropic?
Terminal games? No, Claude code is a terminal game, if you make a terminal game it competes with Claude?
Can their “trust and safety team” humans read everyone’s stuff just to check if we’re competing with LLMs (funny joke) and steal business ideas and use them at Anthropic?
Feels like the dirty secret of AI services is, every possible use case violates the terms, and we just have to accept we’re using something their legal team told us not to use? How is that logically consistent? Any safety concerns? This doesn’t seem like a law Asimov would appreciate.
It would be cool if the set of allowed use cases wasn’t empty. That might make Anthropic seem more intelligent
- nerdsniper 1y agoWould you argue that Cursor (valued at $10B) is breaking Anthropic's terms by making an IDE that competes with their Canvas feature?
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- jazzyjackson 1y agoIs Cursor using Claude code to build? Or they just allow it to plug into Claude?
- moralestapia 1y agoYes.
- varenc 1y agoCursor isn't building models trained with the outputs of Anthropic models (I think). That's what the ToS is forbidding.
- bionhoward 1y agoThat’s what everyone acts like the ToS forbids, but the language of the ToS as written is much more (infinitely) broad
- jazzyjackson 1y agoOh come on, your CRUD app is not competing with an LLMaaS
- moralestapia 1y agoOh come on, understand how contracts work before posting a comment like this one.
- paulsutter 1y agoYou’re only competing with them if you’re doing something they consider competitive. OpenAI is competitive, you are not
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- ethan_smith 1y agoAnthropic's terms typically restrict training competing AI models with their outputs, not building standard applications or websites that simply use their API as a tool.
- _flux 1y agoThe TOS says (https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms https://www.anthropic.com/legal/consumer-terms): You may not access or use, or help another person to access or use, our Services in the following ways: 2. To develop any products or services that compete with our Services, including to develop or train any artificial intelligence or machine learning algorithms or models or resell the Services. Let's say you've used Anthropic's model to generate open source software and then some 3rd party trains their model on that. Have you now helped another person to use their service in a way that violates the terms? I suppose that's pretty far-fetched, though, unless you have some interaction with the party doing the training. Sometimes you might, though: perhaps some company provides services to train a model on exactly your code base, and then provide similar service as Anthropic does for your code base, thus being in direct competition of Antropic as well.
- bionhoward 1y agoit reads, “competing products or services” — not “training competing AI models” with their outputs Also, who the fuck wants a codebase they can’t train models on