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The reality is also that keeping on doing that and other activities like bottom-trawling is going to continue to wreck ecosystems. Both of these things can be
by Nursie 1y ago
The reality is also that keeping on doing that and other activities like bottom-trawling is going to continue to wreck ecosystems.
Both of these things can be true.
You don’t get to push away the environmental damage these things cause because you like a fish fillet and won’t hear otherwise.
All I’m saying (and what conservationists are saying) is that if we carry on down this path we’re going to destroy the ocean ecosystems, and if we don’t want that we should stop. You seem to be replying indignantly that we are going to carry on regardless. OK, well that’s the choice humanity faces, isn’t it?
- HDThoreaun 1y agoHumanity isn’t going to make the decision we want it to here. That’s why it’s so important to find ethical alternatives, it’s the only way to prevent bottom trawling. Nature shows and heartfelt appeals are not enough.
- Nursie 1y agoThey are starting to work, in some countries, where it has been realised that these things are incompatible with sustainable fisheries. Alternatives are definitely good, and yes, it will be easier to move people away from destructive practices with them in place. My annoyance is that sometimes things are necessary regardless of their being an alternative, and saying "Herp derp unless you have a solution then shut up" isn't very helpful (I'm not accusing you of this). It's not wrong to state "we have a serious problem, if we don't change course things are going to get bad" without having all the answers to changing that course.
- HDThoreaun 1y ago> My annoyance is that sometimes things are necessary regardless of their being an alternative Sometimes things that are necessary arent done. > "Herp derp unless you have a solution then shut up" isn't very helpful Saying something is necessary when it wont be done without a replacement isnt very helpful either. > They are starting to work, in some countries, where it has been realised that these things are incompatible with sustainable fisheries. My understanding is that China is by far the biggest culprit when it comes to bottom trawling and they will not stop without an alternative way to feed 1.4 billion people seafood. Of course its right to point out the problem but I think it is also necessary to go beyond that. The problem will not be fixed without a solution, and eat less seafood unfortunately is not on the table.