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There are many phones which let you flash your own OS and use with complete control. Please just purchase one of those and stop trying to interfere with my abil

There are many phones which let you flash your own OS and use with complete control. Please just purchase one of those and stop trying to interfere with my ability to purchase a phone that I want.

whstl 1y ago
No. In my opinion it is perfectly fine for society to order a company to hypothetically limit you on this minor thing (and let's be frank: this is super minor), because opening up iOS would benefit companies, countries, economies and other users of phones.
- _benton 1y ago
  Who are you to claim that my consumer desires are irrelevant?
  - whstl 1y ago
    Compared to major interests of "companies, countries, economies and other users of phones", this is inarguably small. Especially in the light of the only real complaint being that "there is a possibility of loss of security".
    - _benton 1y ago
      The difference is that the choice to purchase devices that offer the freedom you want is available, if not the primary option. I don't wish to take that away from you. However you are advocating for the only choice for a locked down device be legislated out of existence. There is a fundamental difference here!
      - whstl 1y ago
        You're right. I wish to take this away from you. To me this is completely fine, morally, philosophically and legally, and a lot of people seem to agree with me.
        robertlagrant 1y ago
        > a lot of people seem to agree with me Apple have over a billion iPhones out there I believe, and your phrasing of "it's all of us vs just you" is really inappropriate - both from an argumentation perspective and probably a fact perspective too.
        whstl 1y ago
        This phrasing is not the good representation of what I mean at all. And the fact that people have iPhones doesn't invalidate my assertion, also it doesn't affect my right to an opinion.
        robertlagrant 1y ago
        > also it doesn't affect my right to an opinion No-one's saying you don't have a right to an opinion. Everyone has that right. It's bad faith to try and misrepresent what the person you're talking to is saying.
        whstl 1y ago
        I didn't say or imply that you suggested otherwise, I was merely making a statement. > No-one's saying you don't have a right to an opinion Someone said to me “Who are you to claim that my consumer desires are irrelevant?” so you’re wrong.
      - wredcoll 1y ago
        > However you are advocating for the only choice for a locked down device be legislated out of existence Why would you make up something like this? What's the benefit to you?
      - lenkite 1y ago
        Feel free to lock down your device. Stick to the Apple Store. You have that freedom. The rest of us want our freedom too.
  - fc417fc802 1y ago
    Your consumer desire ... to impose your own arbitrary wishes on other consumers? Apple opening up their platform would not preclude them from offering users an optional setting that continued to impose the current restrictions. Therefore it does not interfere with your own use of the platform. You have no standing here so to speak.
msgodel 1y ago
Lol. It's legitimately easier to just buy a UMPC with an LTE card and use VOIP than do that. That's how bad the situation is at this point. I say this as someone who gets paid to work on open source and used PostMarketOS on my primary cell phone for years. Even technical people really only have two options right now.
- sham1 1y ago
  Out of genuine curiosity since you mentioned UMPCs, what would be a good UMPC with LTE module support? I've looked into things like the various GPD Pocket devices, but I'm wondering if any of the other alternatives are any good. And of course, recommendations for LTE modules would be appreciated. Ideally built in, but external modules are also good, all they really need is linux support.

There are many phones which let you flash your own OS and use with complete control. Please just purchase one of those and stop trying to interfere with my ability to purchase a phone that I want.

whstl 1y ago

No. In my opinion it is perfectly fine for society to order a company to hypothetically limit you on this minor thing (and let's be frank: this is super minor), because opening up iOS would benefit companies, countries, economies and other users of phones.

_benton 1y ago
Who are you to claim that my consumer desires are irrelevant?
- whstl 1y ago
  Compared to major interests of "companies, countries, economies and other users of phones", this is inarguably small. Especially in the light of the only real complaint being that "there is a possibility of loss of security".
  - _benton 1y ago
    The difference is that the choice to purchase devices that offer the freedom you want is available, if not the primary option. I don't wish to take that away from you. However you are advocating for the only choice for a locked down device be legislated out of existence. There is a fundamental difference here!
    - whstl 1y ago
      You're right. I wish to take this away from you. To me this is completely fine, morally, philosophically and legally, and a lot of people seem to agree with me.
      - robertlagrant 1y ago
        > a lot of people seem to agree with me Apple have over a billion iPhones out there I believe, and your phrasing of "it's all of us vs just you" is really inappropriate - both from an argumentation perspective and probably a fact perspective too.
        whstl 1y ago
        This phrasing is not the good representation of what I mean at all. And the fact that people have iPhones doesn't invalidate my assertion, also it doesn't affect my right to an opinion.
        robertlagrant 1y ago
        > also it doesn't affect my right to an opinion No-one's saying you don't have a right to an opinion. Everyone has that right. It's bad faith to try and misrepresent what the person you're talking to is saying.
        whstl 1y ago
        I didn't say or imply that you suggested otherwise, I was merely making a statement. > No-one's saying you don't have a right to an opinion Someone said to me “Who are you to claim that my consumer desires are irrelevant?” so you’re wrong.
    - wredcoll 1y ago
      > However you are advocating for the only choice for a locked down device be legislated out of existence Why would you make up something like this? What's the benefit to you?
    - lenkite 1y ago
      Feel free to lock down your device. Stick to the Apple Store. You have that freedom. The rest of us want our freedom too.
- fc417fc802 1y ago
  Your consumer desire ... to impose your own arbitrary wishes on other consumers? Apple opening up their platform would not preclude them from offering users an optional setting that continued to impose the current restrictions. Therefore it does not interfere with your own use of the platform. You have no standing here so to speak.

msgodel 1y ago

Lol. It's legitimately easier to just buy a UMPC with an LTE card and use VOIP than do that. That's how bad the situation is at this point. I say this as someone who gets paid to work on open source and used PostMarketOS on my primary cell phone for years. Even technical people really only have two options right now.

sham1 1y ago
Out of genuine curiosity since you mentioned UMPCs, what would be a good UMPC with LTE module support? I've looked into things like the various GPD Pocket devices, but I'm wondering if any of the other alternatives are any good. And of course, recommendations for LTE modules would be appreciated. Ideally built in, but external modules are also good, all they really need is linux support.